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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Beth E] #400226
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who esle would he had made Consigliere patsy? Little paulie Tony wasnt lefted with alot of options


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My channel two is CBS. I'm guessing most fans are disappointed.

Had this been the end of an episode, and not a season, it wouldn't have been a let-down. Maybe we (myself for sure) were expecting too much. I don't know. I'd still see a movie. I still love the show. Just didn't like the season finale. \:\/


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Btw, I forgot about Sil. We are to assume then he IS still alive?

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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILE [Re: HeldtheHand] #400228
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Channel 2 (WCBS-NY) said Uncle Junior was coming back on the next show starting in a minute: Sports Sunday



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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: SC] #400229
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 Originally Posted By: SC
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but paulie was underboss. bobby was just a capo.


Paulie was a capo for awhile. None of their titles were "official" but since the birthday fight between Tony and Bobby we see Bobby sitting in on all the Family decisions (making him an underboss).

okay. but still, if bobby was wanted dead, it would only make sense to kill Paulie, who had equal if not more influence.

Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Beth E] #400230
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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
If Paulie was never a thinker, then why would Tony have him be consigliere.


Because of his experience.

When you see the show you'll notice that Tony looks to Paulie for his "input" before he agrees with Bruno that the war should be over. Paulie nods his approval.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: J Geoff] #400231
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I have and use dialup, because it's all that's available in this little rural area I live in...um, why would that bug you? And what's it got to do with the final episode of the show, Hoss? Why you breakin' my balls, man?


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #400232
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 Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette


Btw, I forgot about Sil. We are to assume then he IS still alive?

I guess this would be an instance where a lot of the spoilers were wrong. One had his wife saying she pulled the plug, another said you just see his monitor flat line.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: HeldtheHand] #400233
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 Originally Posted By: HeldtheHand

okay. but still, if bobby was wanted dead, it would only make sense to kill Paulie, who had equal if not more influence.


Paulie really didn't have more influence..... remember that Tony came close to killing him... Tony held him in lower regard than Bobby.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Mr. Bobby Fontaine] #400234
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Are we to assume that Patsy is now one of the higher ups in the family? He must atleast be a Capo since Tony was going to give him Espeland.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Mr. Bobby Fontaine] #400235
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 Originally Posted By: Mr. Bobby Fontaine
I have and use dialup, because it's all that's available in this little rural area I live in...um, why would that bug you? And what's it got to do with the final episode of the show, Hoss? Why you breakin' my balls, man?

I wasn't busting dial-up users - it was more a knock on AOL Forums members ;\)



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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Don Cardi] #400236
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
The more I think about how Chase ended this show, the more I like it. Chase did this superbly!


Its Chase's version of "who shot JR"?

"Who kills Tony"? (guy who walked in with him or other guy at counter or the black guys or none of the above)
If Tony is killed - "When does Tony die"?

I thought it was more misleading than superb.... too cutesy with the many different directions. Eh...


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: SC] #400237
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 Originally Posted By: SC
 Originally Posted By: HeldtheHand

okay. but still, if bobby was wanted dead, it would only make sense to kill Paulie, who had equal if not more influence.


Paulie really didn't have more influence..... remember that Tony came close to killing him... Tony held him in lower regard than Bobby.


As someone's who only a casual observer I find this surprising. Paulie to me would have the higher power, as I always saw him more as a high rank member of Tony's crew, and Bobby just as Junior's babysitter. I could see Paulie being hurt that Bobby outranked him and go into a Fredo rant, "I was stepped over. It's not how I wanted it".


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: BDuff] #400238
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 Originally Posted By: BDuff
Are we to assume that Patsy is now one of the higher ups in the family?


Probably is... ESPECIALLY considering that Tony and Patsy may soon be related by marriage (of their kids).


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: J Geoff] #400239
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I just read that HUNTER who shows her face and her huge nose is David Chase's daughter. Is this correct?


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: Beth E] #400241
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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
As someone's who only a casual observer I find this surprising. Paulie to me would have the higher power, as I always saw him more as a high rank member of Tony's crew, and Bobby just as Junior's babysitter.


In the prior episode one of Phil's crew mentioned that Bobby was only Junior's driver but a lot has changed this season... We see him sitting with Silvio and Tony on several occasions discussing Family business (including one in which we see Bobby and Paulie almost coming to blows - when Paulie questioned who sanctioned the hit on Phil).

Tony came within an inch of killing Paulie earlier this year.


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Didn't Bobby just make his bones when he killed that kid in Canada. To me, it just seems like Rocco outranking Clemenza.

Here's a story that was just linked to my local newspaper. Phil was run over by Meadow's SUV?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainmen...-home-headlines

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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: SC] #400244
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regardless, i find it suspecious that paulie was up for getting whacked.

no one else finds this concerning?

Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILERS [Re: fathersson] #400245
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 Originally Posted By: fathersson
I just read that HUNTER who shows her face and her huge nose is David Chase's daughter. Is this correct?


Yup....


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILE [Re: Beth E] #400246
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to see the real ending you have to pay I bet.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILE [Re: Beth E] #400251
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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
Didn't Bobby just make his bones when he killed that kid in Canada. To me, it just seems like Rocco outranking Clemenza.

Here's a story that was just linked to my local newspaper. Phil was run over by Meadow's SUV?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainmen...-home-headlines


Beth,

It wasn't Meadow's SUV, it was Phil's wife's SUV. She was driving it.

The writer put it well saying that this finale ended with a "to be continued feel" to it. I think that's what sums it up. I assumed as all of us did, that many minor storylines just wouldn't be resolved but thought there would be more of a "splash" type ending. \:\/

TIS

BTW, JL, weren't you the one who predicted that this could very well end non-climatic? You were right. ;\)

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Uncle Junior excerpts from Sports Sunday:

"David Chase wanted that to keep suspense / it was a shock / my wife and I liked it / I think Chase left us with an "unresolved resolution" / the family had become more together again after each season / a Sopranos movie would be wonderful / Junior losing it? That's up in the air / I enjoyed playing the character very much / I doubt if Tony would've turned state's evidence / he wanted to keep his family together / I'm a Yankees fan since '52 ;\) / I wanna do movies or maybe a TV show, perhaps a talk show"



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I KNEW the name was familiar (on the closing credits)... check out who played Patsy's wife.... its Donna Pescow. She played the gal chasing John Travolta in "Saturday Night Fever". He she is some 30 years later.... you can still see the similarity.

Now (on the left); Then (on the right):



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 Originally Posted By: fathersson
to see the real ending you have to pay I bet.

Have a drink or smoke a doobie, FS \:p



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Re: Made In America- Final Episode POSSIBLE SPOILE [Re: SC] #400257
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 Originally Posted By: SC
I KNEW the name was familiar (on the closing credits)... check out who played Patsy's wife.... its Donna Pescow. She played the gal chasing John Travolta in "Saturday Night Fever". He she is some 30 years later.... you can still see the similarity.


Wow, I kept staring at her and I knew I knew who she was, but couldn't place her. I was too in shock to pay attention to the credits. Man, she's put on a few pounds hu? \:o

TIS


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I remember her from the Disney show "Even Stevens".

Yeah...


Hey, how's it going?
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 Originally Posted By: Don Andrew
I remember her from the Disney show "Even Stevens".

Who did she play on that, the mother? I didn't even recognize/notice her...

Edit: Never mind, just saw SC's pics. Weird, didn't even notice... pretty funny difference in roles, tho!



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 Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Man, she's put on a few pounds hu?


Haven't we all.... Wait a scond... YOU haven't, TIS!!

(I updated my above post with some pics of her).


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 Originally Posted By: SC
I KNEW the name was familiar (on the closing credits)... check out who played Patsy's wife.... its Donna Pescow. She played the gal chasing John Travolta in "Saturday Night Fever". He she is some 30 years later.... you can still see the similarity.

Now (on the left); Then (on the right):


very ugly girl.

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This last episode was wrong on so many levels. While some may equate it to genius on the part of Chase, I feel as if its revisiting when Geraldo Rivera opened up Al Capone's vault live on TV only to find nothing. Chase (whether this was well thought out or not) did a great injustice to not only the series and its fans of all these years, who really only watched out of loyalty, not because it was actually any good, but it really was a dis-service to the many actors and their careers who appeared in this series. Now forever when they go to get a role, or say "I was in the sopranos" people will only say "oh yea, that show that never gave a real ending" and it will be a trivial pursuit pop culture question like the Zima malt beverage, not a great series it could have been. Overthink/credit Chase's genius all you like, but everyone deserves better than this, especially the actors and production crew that put up with Chase all these years -- whether it keeps us thinking there is some alternate ending OR if its just "life goes on", or if its a cheap ploy to recontinue it in the movies and/or on some other form... it was weak and no level of genius can justify this episode. As far as I am concerned, the show ended with the previous episode, THAT was a better ending if you really wanted leave people guessing.

PS - Like many of you on this bb, I too was waiting for the Russian with the plate in his head and Furio to show up, even if symbolically.

Thats my 3 cannoli worth of comments lol.


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She also was in a tv show, in the 80's I think. She was a mother of a teenage daughter named "Evie" I think. My daughters use to watch the show all the time.

Anyway, back to the finale. Look at the bright side....we still have so many unanswered questions that there has to be a movie. \:D

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