Remember what happened to Carlo when he thought that he had rid himself of Sonny!

Well-well,

I think Tony will, in a fit of rage, end Dr. Melfi's role; Phil's crew will end Meadow AND her new beau (AJ and Uncle June are done with this storyline, for good); and as the NJ crew goes to the mattresses (where we'll see the end of Sil and Little Carmine, "boco-polo-poco (whatever the fuck his name is)", Butchie, and Phil), Carmella will take out Tony, and begin to consolidate her own power in a Newly-designed Structure within the NJ arm of the New York Mafia.
And I think this'll be done using complete "flashback" treatments of how and why she was always better, and more wise, and most-prepared, and best-suited to carry the NJ arm into the Future. I think the only ones who'll win will be Carmella, her new underboss Paulie, and her new consigliere--Furio, who's been teaching her a thing-or-two long distance, for a while now. And Janis will remain as well: to, y'know, occasionally piss the happy people off.
"If the Family doesn't kill you, the other one will." Good night and good luck. Selah.

Okay,
Bobbo

That was good, but you lost me at Carmela.

Like someone else said, "this ain't Italy." Meadow ain't taking over, and sure as shit Carmela ain't, either. Heck, Carmela kept her head in the sand all these years, living in denial, et al.

Tony certainly didn't trust her, as he's never once confided in her. He knew he could not trust his own wife with his work. Ain't that a kick in the head, especially considering how Carmela grew up.

Carmela was no Kay Adams. Carmela's family was "knee-deep in the hoopola," to quote an album title by Starship.

You a writer for The Simpsons by any chance?

Hey BM,

That's what I'm saying, man: THIS AIN'T ITALY. And, y'know, it's only a theory...all of the lies and distrust and power plays and infidelities came to a head for Carm, back in Season 4; And I think Chase will "go back" to many of those scenes, and show us how Carm has been much more calculating in her approach to Tony, and All She Owns And Controls; just think about it. Of course, in Italy (or Sicily, where the traditional rubber met the road when it mattered), "once upon a NEVER," right? But this is Modern-day America, and the Eastern Seaboard to boot...Carmella will be revealed as some sort of Mister Ripley/Michael Corleonesque "mastermind" smack in the middle of the very last episode...in my Wiseguy opinion. 'S'all I'm sayin', skip. Okay?

Okay,
Bobbo

And,

Great respect to you, Don Cardi; never thought I'd be addressed in person by such as you, sir. I only hang about and lurk occasionally, of course, and I'm flattered that you'd humor me a storyline thought, or three, or four...

Thanks, and I won't forget it. Selah.

Okay,
Bobbo

Some day, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But uh, until that day -- accept this justice as a gift on this day.

NO FLIRTING!!

Well.. was he acting like a finnochio or was he excercising his "Corleone Cunning" and "honing his therapy skills" ?

Honing his therapy skills? Oh yeah, the same way that he honed them when he murdered Christopher.

He's a mob boss for land's sake! He represents a family and he sits there and let's the boss of another family talk to him like he's some kind of a street soldier who's serving under him. He acted like a pu**y with Phil!

And as far as Corleone cunning, I think that you have your characters and your movies mixed up. Tony doesn't even come close to a Corleone.

I couldn't agree more with Don Cardi.

Some of you guys give Tony WAY too much credit for his leadership ability. Is he a "tough guy?" I suppose he is, but he's a lousy leader of men and as a mob boss, he's starting to really come off as pathetic.

Corleone? Okay, they were a bit of a fairytale, too. But if you're gonna compare one fictional character to another and you're trying to make a Tony Soprano-Michael Corleone analogy...

PUH LEEZE!! Tony wouldn't be fit to watch the door at one of Tessio's card games.

I think that Tony Soprano knows this: what's the point of getting into a heated argument in front of everybody? Isn't it better to be perceived as weak, then to "spring" on your victim when the time's right.

Obviously Tony Soprano is no Michael Corleone, but Tony's no moron. I think he knows exactly how to play Phil, and coming off as The Sad Clown at the sit-down proves that.

Although...

He did show up without any protection to Phil's house "with hat in hand, on bended knee," and could have easily been whacked.

We know what Tony is capable of, we know he isn't a pussy. He came across as one, and was willing to walk into a potential House of Horrors with Little Carmine, so I don't know if Tony is working with all his cylinders. Tony would have zero reason to trust Little Carmine, who could indeed be working the fence. "Cooler heads prevailed," Phil shouted, and many people think this means that Tony would have been assassinated in that house. And Tony would have walked right into that ambush, too.

Little Carmine's loyality is with NY, if anybody, because of who his father was. Tony can't trust him. So who knows what's going on in Tony's head. Maybe he is a finnochio.

I can't imagine any mob boss actually killing someone in his own house, especially with the crime scene techniques available today. It would have been too over the top, even for this show.

They killed Joe Pesci's "Nicky Santoro" in someone's house in Goodfellas.

Maybe they didn't care about that person who owned the house. If he gets busted, fuck 'em.

It is easy to kill someone in your own house. Listen, this is how I do it: knock em out (no blood), lay their body on a plastic tarp, then stab them. The blood gets on the plastic, you roll up the body in said plastic, then take the bundle out like it was a carpet. Easy-peezie.

If he was as cunning as you and Scarfather make him out to be, than he wouldn't have beaten the shit out of the guy, who disrespected his daughter, in front of everybody.

But Tony was emotional, then. He "lost it."

Nicky Santoro was the character Pesci played in CASINO.

Ugh, I meant Tommy.

He did not "spring" on his victim as soon as he found out what had happened to his daughter. Had he jumped in the car, went over, and then beat the shit out of him, than I'd give him the emotion excuse. Not the case.

Didn't he, though? After Meadow told him, he got up. Carmela asked him where he was going, he said "got a meeting, with Sil," something like that.

I think it was a lie. I think, unless I'm forgetting a scene in between, he went directly from his house to visit Coco.

If Tony couldnt watch the door at one of Tessio's card games, then anyone else in Tony's crew couldnt play the role of the oranges throughout the Trilogy.

Uh, okay...I'll buy that for a dollar, Bob.

I'd have to watch it again to be 100% certain. You may be right. But for some reason I think that he didn't go over there right away. As a matter of fact, now that I am writing this, I remember that the incident with Meadow took place in the evening and when she got home, she told them.

It looked to me like Tony went there the next day.

But regardless, it's really a moot point because the bottom line is that Tony has been punking out with Phil and as each week goes by, he's become less and less like the mob boss that he is supposed to be. His uncle and his mother were right. He's a woos!

I dont really know what you meant PB, but I meant that no matter how far Tony is from a Corleone, anyone else in Tony's crew is a million times farther.

I agree, I was just kidding you about the orange analogy.

I can't believe that we are even having a discussion putting The Corleones and The Sopranos in the same conversation!

No disrespect, but you sure are a different Mob Boss in this Soprano thread as opposed to Godfather threads.

Anyway, when Meadow was telling her mother about what Coco did, Tony came down the stairs fully dreassed, ready to go out. Meadow doesn't live at home anymore, and she was out late, so the news had to wait until the next morning.

What is that supposed to mean?

Why don't you ask him to elaborate? He's good at that.

Well, its like what Warren Beatty once said: "The Golden Globes are for fun...the Oscars is business."

You are very serious on Godfather threads. On Sopranos threads, you're very light. Not a put-down, just an observation. It's cool.