Actually, according to Dan Brown, he's alive and well and living with Elvis Presley in a tiki hut on Maui.

Leonardo da Vinci very well may have had the greatrst mind and collection of talents that humanity has ever seen.

Probably true. By the way, did Jesus invent anything?

Tomorrow, 1519, the Leotardo family started its persecution complex.

He was able to turn water into wine, cure blindness and rise from the dead...but He did have a little outside help.

Yeah, us!

And what the hell does Jesus have to do with this topic about da Vinci anyway?

Jesus invented humans?

Well truthfully there are times when I have my doubts after seeing how some of them talk and act.

I was under the illusion that Jesus was of humans. He was born into a world already inhabited by humans.

How He could have possibly invented them, then, is beyond me.

His father invented them. Cardi cut out the middle man.

Actually, Catholics believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one Holy Trinity, so in essence, IF Cardi was professing this faith, then he was correct.

We go from Da Vinci to esoteric Catholic dogma, and the mystery of the Trinity, possibly the most discussed theological issue in the Catholic Church. Where is Dan Brown when we need him?

Maybe the poster who brought Jesus into this in the first place didn't understand that the originator was talking about the artist himself, Leonardo da Vinci, and not the Da Vinci Code.

Since the original post in this thread was a load of baloney anyway, let me pursue a little futher "off-topic":

But I'm still confused as to how Jesus could biologically, scientifically, chronologically, historically, practically and pragmatically invented something which he himself was. Or something, if only because of the physicality of, well, you know, actually giving birth, which must have spawned him.

(ie. Do Catholics believe that Humanity began with Jesus? Do Catholics reject Adam and Eve as the first man and woman on Earth? Is Mary and Mary's giving birth to Jesus absent in Catholic doctrine?)

By the way, is "Today in History" (as well as being a hideous cliché) also an oxymoron?

I think it is.

How do you figure that?

Capo, I will speak here for myself and myself alone. As a Roman Catholic, I have been taught that the Father (God), Son (Jesus) and Holy Ghost are all one, and that the Holy Trinity can be separate and yet one is the mystery of our faith. Therefore, Jesus was both the Father AND the Son, so if you believe that God created humans, then you also believe that Jesus did, since they are one and the same.

Three persons in one God. As Babe posted, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost - the Trinity. As the Bible says before all was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word. So, if it really happened like it says in Genesis, then Jesus did invent us. BUT, did he "invent" anything else like LDV did? Well, it seems he didn't. You would think that hanging around his Dad in the carpenter shop all those years and given who he "really" was, he could have invented power tools at least.

LDV? Last I checked she hasn't posted here in years....

Ok, fair question. What SB said is correct. But I'll elaborate on what she said a bit further if I may.

Christians believe in the teachings of the Holy Bible. Both the old and the new testaments. However they also believe that they are not bound by the laws of the old testament, but instead are saved by grace and the teachings of the new testament. They believe that the Saviour or the Messiah was sent as the sacraficial lamb for all mankind. Under the laws of the old testament, if one sinned, they were required to sacrafice a lamb in order to be forgiven of thier sins. But with the coming of the Messiah who was the sacraficial lamb, the old testament laws of sacraficing a lamb when looking to be redeemed by God from sin is no longer required. These are the beliefs of the Christian faith.

Christians also are taught, in the new testament, and believe that Jesus is also known as The Word. It is believed that God sent us The Word, through an immaculate coneception. It is taught and believed, as SB pointed out, that God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, aka The Holy Trinity.

That brings us back to the old testament book of Genisis. In the book of Genisis, before the creation of Adam and Eve, it says " In the beginging was THE WORD. And THE WORD was with God, and THE WORD IS God." Then it goes on to teach us that God said " Let US create man in OUR
own image."

So you see, Christians beleive that God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit were one from the begining of time, before the creation of man. And that is why I said what I did about Jesus "inventing" us.

Now of course you don't have to believe this, as that is your choice. But I have tried to explain to you what Christians believe in with the hope that you could at least understand and respect why we hold Jesus in such high regard.

Someone can worship a goat for all I care, but there is no reason for anyone to disrespect the religious teachings and beliefs of another person just because they themselves might not have the same beliefs.

I hope that my explaining this was helpful and has given you a better understanding of the Christian beliefs.

Because the information it contains is insufficient for a thread of its own. We do have a Random Post thread.

Why is it insufficient? Because its poster, the one telling us about it, adds absolutely nothing to the information; information as dull as somebody's birthday or deathday does not hold much interest - and OWTG's intention in posting the thread is unclear. It lacks clarity. In a word, it's presented in the same way somebody might copy and paste an entire MSN article and not make any further comment, and let the stew be stirred by somebody else.

What is the significance of Da Vinci's death? Why are we celebrating, mourning, discussing (though that never happened, ha!), or even hearing of this? It's a decidedly odd post, more so because there's an entire thread dedicated to it.

So tomorrow I'm going to search through some sort of famous death database and post a thread dedicated to each and every famous person who died on that day in suchasuch year.

(Not really; but I hope you see what I mean.)

NB: I've just noticed my saying "baloney" might have been misunderstood to mean "untruthful". Not so.

Oh, and thanks SB and DC for clearing those up.

(Personally, without meaning any disrespect to the Catholic belief, I think Jesus is a much more persuasive and convincing Christian or prophet or teacher of good faith if I view him as a human; not a God with human traits, but a human, born from a womb, whose fundamental and most important concern was doing good through actions of goodness.)

You're welcomed Capo.

Capo, that's why all faith is personal.

It's not disrespectful at all. I believe for the reasons you've stated, that is partly why the "Word was made Flesh."

Yes Klyd. That is part of the reason. The other being that in order for God to know what it was/is like to feel temptation and all the other things in life that can cause man to sin, he needed to make the Word into Flesh to walk the earth and fully experience what mankind was going through, as a human being.