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WARNING...Spoiers baby! Courtesy of AICN:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31979

The first episode starts with a “flashback” to 2004 with the Feds making the raid on Johnny Sack. We see Tony bookin’ it wicked fast through the woods making his getaway. Only this time we see some kid in the upstairs window of a nearby house witness Tony ditch his gun in the snow as he stumbles through their backyard. We then see the kid go retrieve the gun. The whole thing seemed a little weird as I can’t recall this show ever doing the old “show an old scene but this time with a twist we weren’t shown originally” before. (Kind of like the second time we got to see Gandolf fight the Balrog. You geeks know what the hell I’m talking about.)

Cut to present day, as a newspaper with a headline about 2007 budget cuts lands at the edge of the Soprano’s driveway. Tony and Carmella are asleep in bed when suddenly the doorbell starts ringing up a storm accompanied by some very heavy banging on the front door. Tony looks out the back window to see cops all over the place. Camella screams “Is this IT???” And thus begins the final season of The Sopranos.

Turns out that it’s not “IT”, but Tony’s in some trouble all the same. He gets taken downtown by the cops in his bathrobe and slippers. Turns out the kid who found the gun 3 years ago has gone and gotten arrested with it and claims he saw Tony ditch it way back when. Tony’s out of the pokey in no time, but not before we get to see him sitting amongst the dregs of humanity in the holding cell, staring off into nothing. This is the first of many times over the next two hours that we see Tony simply sitting and thinking.

And now for a quick update on the rest of the family: Meadow’s living at home, her lame boyfriend Finn is long gone, and she’s studying to be a pediatrician. Nobody’s making offers on the house Carmella’s built and Christopher looks and acts like he’s on heroin. Turns out it’s only cause he’s still with his hot Dominican girlfriend with the kid and she’s turned into a complete harpee. Sounds like the perfect time for Tony and Carmella to take a little getaway to Bobby Bacala and Janice’s house on the lake, up near the Canadien border. Oh, and Tony’s lawyer calls while they’re en route and tells him the cops have dropped the case against Tony involving the gun. Things are looking up.

Jump ahead a few hours to the lake house where Carmella and Janice are knocking back the wine like a couple of pros while Tony and Bobby shoot guns, fish, and discuss the “good old days”. Tony mentions that Bobby’s been earning well and that he’s lucky that he never had to pop his cherry by killing anyone. Then Tony does some more staring.

Pretty soon the four of them are shitfaceed and playing Monopoly. After a brief discussion about whether or not the Chance and Community Chest money is supposed to be collected by the person who lands on Free Parking (Official Monopoly rules say that money is supposed to go in the bank, duh), a drunken Tony starts making fun of Janice. Bobby gets pissed. Tony crosses the line when Janice lands on Boardwalk and Tony starts singing about how Janice used to spend her summers underneath the boardwalk sucking dick. (You know she totally did.) Bobby loses it and slugs Tony. Soon the two of them are in one of those classic Sopranos fights where heads are getting smashed against walls and glass is shattering and tables are breaking and balls are getting kneed. The ladies stop the fight that Bobby was clearly winning and they stumble off to bed.

Next day Tony does more staring, this time sitting on the dock with a black eye and fat lip. We can tell he’s pissed that Bobby kicked the shit out of him, but he’ll probably forget about it soon enough cause totally Tony’s not vindictive or anything like that. Anyway, Tony and Bobby tell the ladies they’re going to meet some guys to play golf. When they say “meet some guys to play golf” they really mean “meet some crooked Canadiens to buy illegal prescription drugs to sell back home”. During the course of the conversation one of the Canadiens gets a call from his daughter about how her ex-boyfriend won’t leave her alone. Tony says he’ll have the boyfriend taken care of if they lower the price of the prescription drugs. They agree. Tony, still obviously pissed about getting his ass handed to him, turns to Bobby and tells him to take care of it.

Tony and Carmella leave the next day and head back to Jersey. We then see Bobby pack a bag and tell Janice he’s got to take care of some business. In a rather sad scene we watch Bobby follow a young guy into the basement laundry room of an apartment building and pump two shots into his chest and one into his forehead. Bobby’s finally broken his cherry. The episode ends with Bobby returning to the lake house and holding his daughter as he stands by the water and does some staring/thinking of his own.

The second episode episode started immediately after the first and in this one we get to find out what everyone else has been up to since last season. It starts with Johnny Sack in the Medical Center for Federal Prisoners. He smoked for 38 years before he quit and started eating healthy, but apparently he didn’t quit soon enough, cause cancer’s eating at his whole body and his doctor tells him he has 3 months to live. He looks pale and walks around with tubes in his nose pumping him oxygen. His enormously rotund wife and shockingly fatter daughter come to visit him but he doesn’t tell them about the whole 3 months to live thing. Instead he starts smoking again.

On the flipside good old buffoon Paulie Wallnuts is now cancer free, Silvio is still rocking that sweet hairpiece and Christopher is about to release CLEAVER, his “Saw meets Godfather II” horror movie. He’s been clean and sober for a few months now (his sponser is Shooter McGavin) and he’s not hanging around with the gang very much anymore cause it’s too tempting for him, though they all mistakenly think it’s cause he’s too good for them now.

Meanwhile Phil Leotardo’s doing some soul searching of his own. Turns out that no one has stepped up to take the reigns of the New York family in the whole time that Johnny Sack's been away. Phil says he doesn’t think he’s got the heart, literally, to take control since he’s just back on his feet after his heart attack/quintouple bypass surgery. It looks like his younger brother Billy is likely to be the next head of the New York contingent.

Then it’s time for the big CLEAVER screening and the whole gang shows up. (Of course, Paulie wallnuts is the guy who doesn’t shut off his phone during the screening.) Daniel Baldwin plays the mafia boss in the movie, who is a complete carbon copy of Tony Soprano, right down to how the character walks around in his robe and boxers all the time. Tony is quite proud to be the inspiration for the movie's main bad guy until a few people note the fact that Baldwin’s character gets killed at the end by his right hand man.

By now Tony’s had enough sessions with Melfi over the last few years to make him start to wonder about Christopher’s intentions, even if they are probably just in his subconscious. Tony does some more staring/thinking and ends up in Melfi’s office, eventually crying like a baby about how he’s done everything for Christopher and now this is how he’s treated? Tony then gets a call form his lawyer saying that even thought the local cops have dropped the gun charges against Tony, the feds have decided to follow up on it instead.

Then we’re treated to some more grisly violence as Silvio sits down to meet with Billy Leotardo to discuss business. Just as their big titted bimbo dates sit down to join them someone walks up to their table and unloads an entire clip into Phil’s brother. Silvio and the ladies make it out ok, but things are certainly heating up in the whole “who’s gonna lead the New York families war”. Especially since we then get word that Johnny Sack’s gone and kicked the bucket way earlier than anyone expected.

We get a quick scene of Phil saying a eulogy for his brother at a restaurant. He goes and sits at the bar and does some staring/thinking of his own. Looks like maybe he’s gonna have to take charge after all...

The episode ends with Christopher’s kid’s christening. Tony’s the godfather of course and as he and Christopher hug on the alter, the look in both their eyes says that things aren’t right between them.

David Chase and company have a lot to wrap up in the next 7 episodes, that’s for sure, but it looks like they’re gearing up to go out with a bang and not a whimper. A lot of the characters seem to be taking stock of their lives. Something I’m sure a lot of people do once they feel their mortality slipping away to old age. But when you’ve done some truly horrible things in your life like most of these characters, I’m sure it’s a lot harder to come to terms with.

I’ve never understood the people who bitch that the show hasn’t been good since season 3 or 4. Sure, it’s had its ups and downs like any show, but on the whole, the average epsiode of the Sopranos is far and away some of the best drama on television. These first two episodes of the final season are no different. Can’t wait to see who’s still alive when the dust finally settles and the series comes to a close.

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Re: First 2 episodes of last SOPRANOS season Spoiled! [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #378389
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Billy Leotardo....wasn't he killed by Tony B in season five? Maybe the guy heard the name wrong. I thought AJ had the dominican girlfriend, not Christopher...oh well! The first episode sounds good!


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Ronnie, you can actually use the new Spoilers feature so that it hides the content of what you wrote and gives everyone the option of opening it up if they choose to read it.



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How?

Besides, the thread-title...."First Two Episodes of last SOPRANOS season SPOILED!"...would seem to indicate that some spoilage will occur, right?

Unless of course DC, you refer to people who are illiterate, but might accidently stumble upon this site. At which then, how would they get spoiled if they can't read?

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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
How?


What are you illiterate?


Check the FAQ to learn how to enclose text in a spoiler warning.



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Yeah I'm illiterate....from all the years on these boards. ;\)

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 Originally Posted By: BDuff
Billy Leotardo....wasn't he killed by Tony B in season five? Maybe the guy heard the name wrong. I thought AJ had the dominican girlfriend, not Christopher...oh well! The first episode sounds good!


Yeah I thought that - is this a previously unmentioned kid brother of his?


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 Originally Posted By: Raymondo Corleone
 Originally Posted By: BDuff
Billy Leotardo....wasn't he killed by Tony B in season five? Maybe the guy heard the name wrong. I thought AJ had the dominican girlfriend, not Christopher...oh well! The first episode sounds good!


Yeah I thought that - is this a previously unmentioned kid brother of his?


I just watched the rerun about Christopher's new girlfriend and I don't recall anything about her being non-white. Is this a trusted source?


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I didn't read the post above about the new episodes, but I see that you guys are discussing something about Christopher's new girlfriend. Didn't he get married last season?



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Yeah, but the "spoiler" says he has a dominican girlfriend, unless Juliana Skiff is dominican...but I doubt it. He did get married, but the name escapes right now. As for Billy Leotardo, he was in season five and was KILLED by Tony B out of revenge of the death of Angelo Garepe. This "spoiler" has serious holes.


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 Originally Posted By: BDuff

This "spoiler" has serious holes.


Most usually do. That's why I don't bother reading them. Is a source provided for the info in this spoiler?



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No, but thats the problem with pre-game "spoilers" that these movie news websites fucking post as legit news...just like FOX NEWS and CNN!

Besides, remember that "Finn Gets Raped" spoiler that was rampant last time?

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Actually if that is fake it's a very good storyline! I hope the real episodes live up to that standard!

EDIT: Just to make it clear I'm talking about the Billy Leotardo storyline from above, not the 'Fin gets raped' rubbish.

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While the earlier-talked upon story holes I do question, the basic ideas of the first two episodes I do like. I mean, we finally get to see CLEAVER!

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EDIT: Just to make it clear I'm talking about the Billy Leotardo storyline from above, not the 'Fin gets raped' rubbish. [/quote]

But Billy Leotardo is DEAD!


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The "Finn Rape" spoiler was more believable than this nonsense.

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The final episodes revolve around what Tony tells his crew: "Maybe Vito was on to something."


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I don't think Vito will be brought up too much...but the main focus will be the oncoming war with New York.


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This fits pretty well with what some of this article talks about.

Warning, Spoiler:

'The Sopranos' Returns With Arresting Developments
Wednesday, March 21, 2007

By Roger Friedman
'The Sopranos' Returns With Arresting Developments

Good news: "The Sopranos" is back. Last night I had a chance to see the first episodes of the final season.

Bad news: It's the final season. There are only nine episodes, and the first two, while terrific in every sense, only foreshadow a little of what may come before the last shot is heard.

Next Tuesday night, about 2,500 people will jam into Radio City Music Hall to see these first two shows. But last night, HBO hosted a smallish affair at the Museum of Modern Art for movers and shakers to get the buzz going.

None of the show's cast members were there, but Glenn Close, Sam Rockwell, Charlie Rose, New York Times editor Bill Keller, Time Inc. editorial director John Huey, Time Warner chief Jeff Bewkes, Hearst Publications' Ellen Levine, writer Stanley Crouch, talk show host Donny Deutsch, Danny Bennett (who manages Dad, Tony) all were, along with show creator David Chase, executive producer Ilene Landress and writers Terry Winter and Matthew Weiner.
So is it good? That's all anyone wants to know. The answer is: It's great. You can't do any better than "The Sopranos" on TV and often in film. And this time around, Chase and co. -- knowing the end is near -- do not disappoint.

The first episode, as someone described it, is like "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" Tony and Carmela drive to sister Janice and brother-in-law Bobby's lake house in upstate New York for Tony's birthday weekend.

The four characters are pretty much it for the show, but what transpires and what's revealed are major points that recall the past and should help write the future.

And here's one little spoiler: Tony is arrested for something that seems minor. That's all I can say. Oh yes, and there's a bloody beating and a hit.

The second episode brings in just about the entire cast as Christopher's horror movie, made with Tony's money, is finally unveiled. The premiere of "Cleaver" includes a rare moment when most of the ensemble (save Dr. Melfi) shows up for the premiere.

Writer Winter described it last night as "like the cover of Sgt. Pepper" as the camera pans the "Cleaver" audience and we see people we haven't seen in a long time.

The second part of Episode 2 concerns the tragic death of a main character. I won't say who it is, but it's not Uncle Junior.

The surprise is that director-writer-producer-actor Sydney Pollack turns up in a decent-sized cameo and nearly steals the show in the process. Look out for another cameo by actor Christopher McDonald as Christopher's AA sponsor.

In the end, though, what steals "The Sopranos" are the Sopranos. The writing is impeccable with lots of little gems, including malapropisms from Ray Abruzzo as Carmine (he calls a beautiful box "mellifluous"), non-sequitur quotes from Blood, Sweat & Tears by "poet" Paulie Walnuts (Tony Sirico) and the earnest assertion from Carmela that "Tony is not a vindictive man."

The acting in the show is also beyond anything else on TV. Obviously, the three main leads -- James Gandolfini, Lorraine Bracco and Edie Falco -- are a pleasure. But Episode 1 allows Aida Turturro and Steve Schirrippa to really shine.

And Episode 2 is full of revelations, including stunning work by Vince Curatola and Frank Vincent. The latter gets a speech about his character's family name (Leotardo) that is simply priceless. And Curatola has some magnificent elegant stuff as exiting New York boss Johnny Sack.

So, stay tuned. The end of "The Sopranos" could turn out to be a bloody mess, particularly if hints of trouble between Tony and Christopher are played out.

Personally, I would like to see the final scene of the show be between Tony and Dr. Melfi.


BTW, Ronnie, it's [spoiler][/spoiler] pretty much.


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Well, for now on, I'll use the Spoiler tags just out of courtesy.

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I'm looking forward to Billy Leotardo rising from the dead to take over NY.


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The second it said Billy Leotardo would take over as Boss, the whole article lost any credibility it had. Billy Leotardo? He was shot five times for christ sakes! We're not stupid fans!


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 Originally Posted By: BDuff

[qoute]
EDIT: Just to make it clear I'm talking about the Billy Leotardo storyline from above, not the 'Fin gets raped' rubbish. [/qoute]

But Billy Leotardo is DEAD!


Yes I know that, but it still sounded like an interesting storyline (plot-holes aside)!


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Maybe he meant Gerry not Billy. For those who don't know who Gerry is, he was the one who suggested hitting one of Tony's "higher ups" after Fat Dom was murdered. He also said, "Tony wanted our attention, now he's got our attention."


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Is he Phil Leotardo's brother?


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 Originally Posted By: Raymondo Corleone
Is he Phil Leotardo's brother?


No. Gerry Torciano is one of Phil's crew.


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Re: First 2 episodes of last SOPRANOS season Spoiled! [Re: SC] #379060
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It would make sense being Gerry but I don't understand how Billy and Gerry could have been confused - it seems like a really stupid mistake or a hoax. My money's on it being a hoax but based on a few snippets of truth leaked from one of the extras.


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Re: First 2 episodes of last SOPRANOS season Spoiled! [Re: Raymondo Corleone] #379095
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 Originally Posted By: Raymondo Corleone
It would make sense being Gerry but I don't understand how Billy and Gerry could have been confused - it seems like a really stupid mistake or a hoax. My money's on it being a hoax but based on a few snippets of truth leaked from one of the extras.


Don't believe everything you read on the internet. If you want to, you can search Google and find countless "spoilers" and each one will be different. It looks like the person that wrote this one hardly watches the show.


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