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Pets vs. Humans #359851
01/30/07 11:03 PM
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I hope I don't get chewed out for this topic, but I was interested in the Barbaro Put Down thread before it got closed for being way off topic and a couple of people fighting with each other over something somewhat stupid.

However I thought where the topic went was interesting and I ask you all, especially you animal lovers this question. If you were told that you could save the life of another human being, one that you didn't know and probably never would, by putting your own pet to sleep would you do it? Especially if this was the only way to save that persons life?

Obviously this is an unrealistic situation, but I am curious to hear your answers. For me I know it would be extremely tough and I would be extremely upset, but I think I would have to do it.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Blibbleblabble] #359859
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I myself don't own any pets, but I do know about the close personal relationships many members on here feel with their pets, it should be an interesting topic.

P.S., love the avatar.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Don Andrew] #359902
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I am not an animal lover, but given a choice between a stranger and my own (hypothetical) pet, I will save my pet. My choices are usually selfish

Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Blibbleblabble] #359910
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As a pet lover, I refuse to answer such a provocative question!


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Blibbleblabble] #359911
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Ya know, its a REALLY good question.

I almost hate to admit it but I don't know what I'd do (in that predicament). Trying to think totally logically - my cat, who has been with me through thick and thin and has been a total source of enjoyment to me, is now 16 years old. I figure we don't have all that much time left together.

I don't know if I could face myself in the mirror, though, if I let an innocent human die for my selfish reasons.

Couldn't you re-phrase the question so that it was between my cat and someone I knew and didn't like?

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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: SC] #359922
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I'd like to think I'm a good human being and would do what's best in any situation. If I had a pet, only loved by me and I had a choice between that and a person that's loved by their freinds and family, for the overall good I'd save the person.

But I'm not a good human being so fuck it.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Turi Giuliano] #359923
01/31/07 07:56 AM
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I don't have any pets, because I'm not particularly fond of animals, or don't feel the need to have one, or whatever... but if I did, I'd choose the animal over the human.

I find it terribly hard to empathise with somebody I don't know. I might feel for their situation, depending on the severity, but if it was my own pet, who I loved, I'd go with the thing that gives me pleasure in my life, of which I suspect I only have one.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #359934
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I wouldn't know, I've never had a pet. I wonder if pets could talk, did we like them as much as we do now? A bad mouth dog or a bad mouth husband. Tough choice.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: afsaneh77] #359935
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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
a bad mouth husband.
Isn't that the same as a farmer having a bed-smelling pig?


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #359936
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Dunno.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Turi Giuliano] #359938
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Originally Posted By: Turi Giuliano
But I'm not a good human being so fuck it.


GREAT ONE, TURI!!!


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Lavinia from Italy] #359950
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I would save my Pet of Course,look after Number 1 and those close to you..


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: DE NIRO] #359974
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We could take the choice a step further. Let's say you're in an accident which has left you with limited food, like the soccer players in the Andes. Would you eat your pet to survive??


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Sicilian Babe] #359975
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Depends on what pet you are eating..


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First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: DE NIRO] #359978
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Does it really matter? It's your pet, you love it. If you face death by starvation, would you eat it??


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Sicilian Babe] #359979
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We could take the choice a step further. Let's say you're in an accident which has left you with limited food, like the soccer players in the Andes. Would you eat your pet to survive??


Only if it was my pet black angus cow.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: SC] #359992
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With sadness I would spare the life of the human and sacrifice my pet. Like SC, if I disliked the person, it would be a tougher decision, but I'd probably go with the same choice.

As far as killing and eating my pet to save my life, I don't know that I could do that.

Here's another spin.

Would you sacrifice the life of your pet if it meant that your healthy child(ren) would have a 1 year guarntee from the date of the pet's demise to remain free of serious injury, illness, disease, accident or death?

Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: klydon1] #360015
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I would hope I have enough decency to put my dog down, but I can't promise I would. Great ethical question however. Gload this thread got started, and sorry about the idiots who ruined the Barbaro thread.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: klydon1] #360019
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Here's another spin.

Would you sacrifice the life of your pet if it meant that your healthy child(ren) would have a 1 year guarntee from the date of the pet's demise to remain free of serious injury, illness, disease, accident or death?


Thats not fair, klydon. That puts a whole other spin on this "argument". I don't think any parent would even have to think about that before putting their pet down.

I couldn't eat my cat even if it meant my own survival (I'd rather die first), but if I had to feed the animal to my children for them to survive I wouldn't even hesitate killing the cat.

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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: SC] #360064
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Actually, SC, yes, if it meant IMMEDIATE survival. But a carefree life for a year?? That really isn't realistic, although a case could be made that being stranded in the Andes with your pet isn't very realistic either. However, I wouldn't want to debate that with certain Uruguayan rugby players.

To be honest? I don't think I know what I would do unless, God forbid, I was put in that situation. But I think that we all underestimate two things: The human will to survive and the power of hunger. Hunger can make you do strange things: steal, cheat, and so on. Have you ever fasted for any length of time, for religious reasons, or for a medical procedure? Imagine doing that for days and days and days, with no hope or end in sight. You never know what you might end up doing.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: SC] #360073
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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Here's another spin.

Would you sacrifice the life of your pet if it meant that your healthy child(ren) would have a 1 year guarntee from the date of the pet's demise to remain free of serious injury, illness, disease, accident or death?


Thats not fair, klydon. That puts a whole other spin on this "argument". I don't think any parent would even have to think about that before putting their pet down.

I couldn't eat my cat even if it meant my own survival (I'd rather die first), but if I had to feed the animal to my children for them to survive I wouldn't even hesitate killing the cat.

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I'd eat my children and the cat.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #360076
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Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
Here's another spin.

Would you sacrifice the life of your pet if it meant that your healthy child(ren) would have a 1 year guarntee from the date of the pet's demise to remain free of serious injury, illness, disease, accident or death?


Thats not fair, klydon. That puts a whole other spin on this "argument". I don't think any parent would even have to think about that before putting their pet down.

I couldn't eat my cat even if it meant my own survival (I'd rather die first), but if I had to feed the animal to my children for them to survive I wouldn't even hesitate killing the cat.

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I'd eat my children and the cat.


But which would you eat first,the Children or the Cat?


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Both. I'd make a stew.


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Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Both. I'd make a stew.


How you ganna boil the water?


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: DE NIRO] #360153
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You don't know how to boil water?


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: DE NIRO] #360155
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Nice spin on the topic of having to eat your own pet in order to survive. I would have to answer no way, but like Sicilian Babe said hunger can make you do strange things.

I find it interesting to see how many people would take the selfish route and save their pet instead of a human being you don't know. I thought it would have been the other way around but I can understand the arguments on both sides.


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Thank you for bringing it back on topic.


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Re: Pets vs. Humans [Re: Blibbleblabble] #360165
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Originally Posted By: Blibbleblabble
Nice spin on the topic of having to eat your own pet in order to survive. I would have to answer no way, but like Sicilian Babe said hunger can make you do strange things.

I find it interesting to see how many people would take the selfish route and save their pet instead of a human being you don't know. I thought it would have been the other way around but I can understand the arguments on both sides.
But what's selfish? To choose your own species, or an animal who's none the wiser?


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