If I were to go to her website I'd probably get a virus that would destroy my computer.

I took your advice and went to her website and read many of the bills that she has sponsered or co-sponsered. Truthfully I see that most of them never passed and were just reffered to the proper committees for further review.

And also with most of them, as a citizen of New York, I do not really see that many bills sponsered or co-sponsered that would benefit the state (which btw she suddenly adopted after her husband's presidency was over) that she represents.

I'm sorry, but I just do not see an impressive track record that qualifies her to be the President United States Of America.


What I do find very interesting is how she is not steadfast on her issues and seems to lack self conviction. Below are various statements that she has made from her senate floor speeches all the way to television interviews.

........"I am not sorry that I voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq."


........"I have continually raised doubts about the President's claims, lack of planning and execution of the war."



........"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."


........."The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act."


........"The Bush Administration short-circuited the U.N. inspectors - the last line of defense against the possibility that our intelligence was false."



She is someone who seems to sway in whichever direction the wind happens to be blowing at that moment.

Not presidential material as far as I'm concerned.



Don Cardi

You better run your virus scan DC.

A virus on my computer from her website really doesn't matter now.

I was "slimed" by her in person already. Remember?



Don Cardi

Oh yeah I remember you telling me that. I still feel sorry for you for that.

Or, you could listen to DC, and also live in NY, to see the vast ineptitude and non-effect that Hillary has had as a Senator from this state.

ANYONE who thinks her run for NY Senator was anything more than a launching pad for the Presidency is a fool. She has done zero for New York State, and it only continues to lend credence to why she shouldn't be President.

I fondly recall a quote that says "Any man who actually wants the job of the President should not run."

I think that phrase can be made gender-neutral.

Regards,
Double-J

I do wonder if Hillary's quest for the Presidency isn't because she actually wants the job...but simply to get the glory of being the FIRST Madam President.

Knowing of her personality, either reason for wanting the job is probable, if not both.

What are specific examples of her "ineptitude" as a Senator?

Instead, I'd rather try to have you list all of the wonderful things you claimed she's done, according to her website, which of course, would never be propagandizing her record!

And then we can see what all of us from NY think about that useless banter.

Using information to defend Hillary from her own website is like taking Tricky Dick Nixon's word for granted on what happened with Watergate.

Give me independent and legit information from somewhere else, and I'll go with ya.

Otherwise, I'll keep making jokes about New Yorkers.

Well, apparently someone in this thread thinks its worthwhile, considering they cited it.

I'll ignore the undercurrent ofracism there, but it wasn't me who voted in a buffoon...twice! Sorry I'll take that back, you only voted him in twice, he lost the first time!!

Apparently I'm missing something; where is there an undercurrent of racism in this thread?

SC, I believe covert racism has many forms. I was alluding to JJ's description of me as an arrogant foreigner. Now he didn't refer to a thick Paddy or a bog trotter. What JJ has (IMO) is a typical island mentality where everthing that is not (in this case) American should be treated with a healthy dose of suspicion. He feels comfortable being one of the pack, he needs to belong, so he immediately tries to point out that I'm an outsider (he's not one of us, not the same as you and me). He wants to please the pack leaders, those who he looks up to (Apple & Don Cardi). It's known as the pack mentality or herd brhaviour. I refer you to WD Hamilton's seminal piece "Geometry for The Selfish Herd"

Racism is the wrong word. It is xenophobia.

Senza Mama -

I don't know that JJ looks up to me, I think that he actually has his own opinions as there were many times in the past where he and I disagreed about certain issues.

Now let me ask you something, Ok?

Am I not a foreigner to you? You live in a different country than I do. I live in a different country than you. I do not have any allegiace to your country. Nor do you to mine.

Of course I am a foreigner to you, just as you are one to me.

There is nothing wrong or racist about reffering to someone as being a foreigner.



I think after all this time conversing together here on the boards I can safely say that you are not the type to use the racist card in any of your arguements. Therefore I'll have to chalk off your thinking that JJ was making a racist remark as a result of you misinterpreting the true meaning of the word foreigner.

There is nothing offensive or wrong with the word foreigner.


Don Cardi

I see what you're saying, and I agree that, in and of itself, the term "foreigner" is neutral.

What I think Senza objects to is the context, in which it was placed (arrogant foreigner), that may carry a perjorative connotation. While the emoticon might imply that the comment was made in jest, Senza could reasonably draw the inference, "What does my being a foreigner have to do with the dialogue? What is the reason to indicate my citizenship when calling me arrogant?"

By comparison, the words "Jew" or "Catholic" are neutral on their face, but if a person is described as an "arrogant Jew" or "arrogant Catholic", then the words may become charged with new, broader meaning.

The remark was originally lost on me as I had no idea that Senza lived outside the USA. And again, I think that Double J intended the remark to be a playful joke and not to be taken seriously.

By the way, Senza's analysis is interesting. I'm afraid how he might size me up.

Point taken Klyd.



Personally, and many of the older members here will tell you this about me, I am the first one to lose it if I feel ANY kind of racism or prejudice is being used, especially if it is against another member here.

I have no tolerance for that kind of bullshit in life itself, period.

But I really do NOT think that there was an intent to be racist or prejudice in this case.

I guess that I feel that there is an abscence of malice.


Don Cardi

I agree. As I said, I didn't see anything racist either in the intent.

Just a joke that backfired...albeit not with the fallout that John Kerry had.

I've replied to Senza Mama.

Thanks for your input, guys.

Ladies and gents, lets try to remember we're an international community here. Everyone's opinion is equal even if the subject of AMERICAN politics is at hand.

Was it Archie Bunker who said that we're all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.

Sounds like something he'd say.

I wonder what HIS rant would be (about Hillary Clinton).

I can't even imagine! Maybe something like :

"If dat president Clinton dere would have kept his woman in da kitchen, where she balongs, den we wouldn't be in dis mess right now wit a woman wantin to become da president. Who eva heard of such a ting!"




One of my favorites was when Archie was doing a crossword puzzle and he was looking for a four letter Italian word for "goodbye" and came up with Bang. B-A-N-G.


Don Cardi

I remember it from Orwell's Animal Farm:

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Signor V.

My favorite Archie line was his argument against gun control. When his daughter argued that there were 10,000 hand gun deaths in the past year, Archie replied, "Would ya feel better if they was pushed out windows?"

I agree.

That's right! Wow, did I miss by a mile.

I'm not anti-Anglican.

And he never lost.

Regards,
Double-J

"I don't regret giving the president authority"

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?"

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"I'm so happy being senator from New York right now. I love my life. I love my job. I want to see it through," Clinton said. "The people of New York took a chance on me, and I'm well aware of that. I said I wouldn't run, and I really mean it. I'm not going to run."

"Only a new president can renew the promise of America. I'm in it to win it."


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"The Administration refused repeated requests from the U.N. inspectors to finish their work."

"The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates."

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"We have to face the fact we need a larger active-duty military. I don't think we have any alternatives. We cannot continue to stretch our troops, both active-duty, Guard and Reserve, to the breaking point."

"We need to resolve the political problems in Iraq."

"I'm for redeploying our troops out of Baghdad and eventually out of Iraq so we can make sure that they're not in the midst of a civil war."

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"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In dealing with this threat no option can be taken off the table."

"I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines."

"We cannot and should not—must not—permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. To be sure, we need to cajole China and Russia into going along with diplomatic and economic sanctions."

"First, and most obviously, we must by word and deed renew internationalism for a new century."

"We did not face World War II alone, we did not face the Cold War alone, and we cannot face the global terrorist threat or other profound challenges alone either."




- Hillary Clinton

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Don Cardi

DC, what are you trying to say?