Why debate anything with you? I gave reasons for how I felt. You repeated exactly what I just said: the rankings do not mean anything until the BCS standing come out. This may come as a shock to you, but this is an opinion board. Obviously, you have no grasp of how to carry on an intelligent conversation.

As far as your scenario that a defending champ could lose every player the following year, what planet has that ever occurred?

I've already wasted too much time on you since you don't grasp what was actually written.l

Ain't that the truth. But don't just limit it to Austin, I'd say the entire state of Texas

[QUOTE]Originally posted by goombah:
somehow, this should warrant a slippage in their ranking???

now where would i get the idea that you were putting too much thought in the current rankings???

Ain't that the truth. But don't just limit it to Austin, I'd say the entire state of Texas [/b][/quote]DOH!

Ain't that the truth. But don't just limit it to Austin, I'd say the entire state of Texas [/b][/quote]Pretty much anywhere.

Ain't that the truth. But don't just limit it to Austin, I'd say the entire state of Texas [/b][/quote]i really did not think it was possible for a new york sports fan to accuse ANYONE of being a homer. u guys did write the bible on homerism, no??

Ain't that the truth. But don't just limit it to Austin, I'd say the entire state of Texas [/b][/quote]i really did not think it was possible for a new york sports fan to accuse ANYONE of being a homer. u guys did write the bible on homerism, no?? [/b][/quote]No we didn't

Hail To The Victors!!!! Boy did Michigan just kill ND today. Wasnt even close. Feels good to beat the over-rated ND and an over-rated Quinn.

Also, the Oregon v Oklahoma end to the game was crazy.

Yeah Notre Dame got their a$$es handed to them today. Overrated, I still don't think so. Now Ice do you know why I said it was premature to say Notre Dame would have an undefeated season?

Depressing day for the 'Canes today. Completley schlacked by Louisville and are going to fall out of the top 25.

Go Dolphins?

Anyone see any similarities?

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In all seriousness, I do think Weis is still a good coach, but how in the hell did everyone proclaim him the Messiah after one good season in which he beat a bunch of average teams and lost to the good teams they played? Isn't that exactly what Willingham did in his first season? Time will tell I guess.

BTW-I am a Michigan fan who absolutely hates Ohio State. Anyone who thinks goombah is being a homer needs to look in the mirror. When it comes to college football, he the the most unbiased poster on the board by far.

I used to work for a huge lawfirm, headquartered in Cleveland but with offices worldwide, in which the managing partner was on the ND Board of Directors. The attorney put tremendous pressure on the Athletic Dept (he is a huge alumni donator) to fire Willingham. I'm not insinuating that it's b/c Ty Willingham is black. But he was forced out b/c this attorney convinced the rest of the board of directors that Willingham was not "projecting the image" that ND wanted.

And I agree about the premature way in which Weis was elevated to folk hero after 1 season. Yes, he did a very good job last year. But Willingham was doing well enough too. It's not like Weis took the team from 1 win to an 11-1 season. I'll never understand why they gave Weis that huge contract extension, esp. for all those years.

J Buffer - thank you. If you're a huge Michigan fan, then you have to be feeling pretty good today. I have to say that I cannot root for either team in the ND-UM game each year because I do not like ND and, as an OSU fan, the prospect of rooting for Michigan sickens me.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by goombah:
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I'll never understand why they gave Weis that huge contract extension, esp. for all those years.


Weis got the extension simply because during last season his stock rose enormously and several pro teams placed him at the top of their lists as a potential head coach. Sure, he can still walk, but the extension makes it harder for him to leave.

While ND wasn't 1-11 prior to his arrival, Willingham was floundering as coach, the offense was uninspired, and despite some early success in his first year, there wasn't any improvement.

It will be interesting to see Weis' teams when the players that he recruited are operating in his system.

Klydon

I should have been more clear. I don't disagree with giving Weis an extension, but for 10 years? That's absurd in today's what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world.

Playing devil's advocate - what if Weis loses 3 times this year? Would that be "floundering" ala Willingham? I just think Ty got a bum deal - again, I'm a non-ND fan so I don't have a rooting interest in Willingham one way or the other.

10 years is a pretty big extension. I don't even know if Weis will be coaching then. Also, the expectations at ND have forced some very good coaches to retire early, like Parseghian and Holtz.

9-3 would be a disappointment to Weis. However, I think the team is moving in the right direction and a 9-3 record wouldn't necessarily reflect floundering. I think secondary speed was sorely lacking when he arrived, and he brought a winning attitude. Plus, he has recruited well and ND should always attract a top QB as Weis turned a scrap heap QB in the NFL to a 3 time Super bowl champion.

as i was saying yesterday before all hell broke loose....


Notre Dame HATERS: the irish have the toughest schedule EVERY YR b/c they are the only team who plays a VARIETY. an sec school or a big 12 school for example gets to play the same teams every yr. they swap tapes w/ fellow conference coaches during the summer, they go to conference coaches conventions and clinics and discuss the upcoming seasons opponents,they recruit from the same pool of kids, parts of their staff were coaches elsewhere in the conference,etc. however.... notre dame who 'chose' to be an independent about 120 yrs ago will play california teams, then a few from the big 11, then sneak in a georgia tech, or tennessee like last season, or miami in the late 80s or florida st in the early 90's. notre dame was the first team to travel the country looking for someone's ass to kick. this is why south bend is called the cradle of college football. and as i said earlier, they still travel the country MORE than ANYONE else looking for someone's ass to kick.

I12--the big 12 is NOT lacking talent i assure you. if we had a tourney between the big 12 big 10 SEC and pac-10 i can assure you many a' gambler would pick the big 12. 0-4 colorado lost to georgia by a pt last week..... and texas was put in the top 5 this season b/c they returned more than a majority of starters from last yrs national championship team. yes texas gets a break by playing rice and sam houston, but texas/texasatm/oklahoma will always be one of the perennial favorites b/c of TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL. it is the fountainhead of college football and a texas school is always dangerous. (remember texas atm almost beating texas in last yrs final reg season game with a qb who had never taken a college snap?)

A good win for Notre Dame today to give Purdue their first lost of the season. Hopefully this will get them back in the top 10

I must admit that I was nervous heading into the OSU-Iowa game. Ohio State made the plays when they needed to the most on both sides of the ball. Antonio Pittman would be a legitimate Heisman candidate if he was not on the same team as Smith & Ginn. In my mind, they have passed 3 big tests so far this season: beating Texas and Iowa on the road and avenging the loss last year to Penn State. Texas has kicked the crap out of each opponent (and scored at will) they have played since the OSU game, which makes the Buckeyes ability to hold the Longhorns to 7 points all the more amazing.

that is hilarious.

ND has played one of the three service academies every yr. since the inception of college football. [/b][/quote]this year they are playing all 3!!

The USC loss certainly shook the national championship up a bit. This was a somewhat surprising loss, but they have played poorly the past 3 weeks. It certainly opens the door for a one loss team to be playing for the national title against the winner of the Michigan-OSU game.

Lets all root for 'our Don's' alma mater tonight!

Go Scarlet!!!!

(it ain't gonna happen though )

We'll see 'bout that! (Gonna be REALLY TOUGH, tho!)

Go Scarlett Knights, hopefully we can get Coach Schiano down here next year...

Louisville, damn... good team.

YEAH!!!!! OMG can't believe Louisville was OFFSIDES!!!!!


LET THE BCS SHAKEUP BEGIN!!!!!

No chance in hell Schiano leaves.

I went to the Primus concert in the city, but I'm glad I DVR'ed the game.