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Re: New book claims Bonds was heavy steroid user
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03/07/06 04:43 PM
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True or not, if he plays another full season chances are he's gonna pass them both.
The question is, "What (if anything) is MLB gonna do about it?"
The voters can keep him out of the Hall of Fame, because that's up to them - the voters.
But I don't see how MLB can not "recognize" Bonds' records.
Even if Barry winds up indicted or something, and tried and convicted, who knows how many other players - some of them seemingly quite obviously - were on steroids besides him?
And if he never winds up in court, what is MLB gonna do then?
What I see possibly happening is MLB appointing a "special investigator", a la John Dowd in the Pete Rose case.
Then, when his report indicates that Bonds did use steroids, doing some thing like putting an asterisk in the record books, with an explanation something like "It was determined in an independent investigation by MLB that Barry Bonds used illegal performance-enhancing drugs in the period from 1990 whenever until 2000 whenever." They can't simply eliminate him and his totals from the record books, because that throws off the entire symetry of baseball record-keeping, which is considered almost sacred.
If he hit 3 homers one day off of a pitcher, why shouldn't those 3 homers come off the pitcher's record and not count against him?
If you don't count his personal records, why should games that he helped his team win count?
I think the real problem, though, is that what do you do about the maybe - who really knows - 100, 150, 200, 300(?) other players who also used steroids?
Investigate them all? Investigate some of them? What is the criteria to be used to determine who to investigate and who to leave alone?
And Goombah....
Why the personal animosity towards Bonds?
The guy may have been a "prick" as you put it, but if his achievements came without steroid use, he deserves the recognition for doing what he did.
If you have to hope that the allegations against him are true simply because you don't like him personally, why him?
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: New book claims Bonds was heavy steroid user
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03/07/06 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence: True or not, if he plays another full season chances are he's gonna pass them both.
And Goombah....
Why the personal animosity towards Bonds?
The guy may have been a "prick" as you put it, but if his achievements came without steroid use, he deserves the recognition for doing what he did.
If you have to hope that the allegations against him are true simply because you don't like him personally, why him? I think he'll pass Ruth, but won't be healthy enough to break Aaron this season. With a little luck, this article will be true and force him to quit. Why I despise Bonds: My personal opinion of him is that he is always looking to be the victim. I’m paraphrasing here, but how many times have we heard Bonds say, “You guys are always hounding me” or “I’m not talking to you guys in the media,” or “Leave me alone?” I don’t disagree that the guy is talented, but there are ways of stepping back from the media frenzy with class and dignity. And on just about every occasion, the guy acts like a complete jerk. And for Bonds to say he wanted to break Ruth’s record “because he (Ruth) was white” is absurd. Look at Kirby Puckett. He, too, was great on the field and to the fans. He acted in a civil and fun-loving way to most. He wasn't perfect, as the years post-baseball demonstrated. In contrast, Bonds seems to be a 24 hr per day/7 days per week/365 days per year asshole. Bonds will no doubt go down as one of the greats of his era, perhaps of all-time. In my mind, he’s a steroid-era player who will always have a taint that he cheated. That’s not say that Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero, and others do not have the same taint. But I’ll always view Bonds as the poster-child of the steroid player.
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Re: New book claims Bonds was heavy steroid user
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03/07/06 06:26 PM
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plawrence
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I ws just listening Mike and the Mad Dog to WFAN (NY sportstalk radio), and of course this is the big story.
According to the article, Mark McGwire deserves to be the "Poster Boy" here.
The article says that Bonds didn't start until he saw McGwire getting away with it so easily.
Anyway, they raised a very interesting question, also:
How is MLB gonna treat Bonds on the field when he passes Ruth and maybe Aaron.
Normally, you'd expect them to stop the game, you'd expect a big on-feild ceremony with Aaron there....Now what?
If they do nothing, they're acknowledging (with no real proof) that Bonds record is tainted.
But if they celebrate, MLB looks like a bunch of idiots.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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