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Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248233
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Is it Joe Montana? Dan THE MAN Marino? Johnny Unitas? John Elway? Who?

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I have a toss up between Montana and Unitas.


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id say montana or marino


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Marino has better stats but Montana always seemed to find a way to win so I give it to Joe. Elway definitely threw himself into the mix by winning 2 super bowls in his last 2 season but it is still Joe.

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gotta remember thou quarterbacks dont get stats or win without top receivers and montana did have owens for a lttle bit as well as rice wereas i cant really remember anyone for marino so yea id probobly give it to montana


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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248238
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Quote:
Originally posted by scarfacetm:
gotta remember thou quarterbacks dont get stats or win without top receivers and montana did have owens for a lttle bit as well as rice wereas i cant really remember anyone for marino so yea id probobly give it to montana
Yes, I gree. Marino was the more talented QB, never saw a QB who could fire the ball off so fast from the snap. Had he had a Jerry Rice to go to, forget about it! As for John Elway, I have never seen a QB who could get pressured into running the opposite way of his throwing arm and still throw a 60 yard pass down the field.

However because of what Montana accomplished, and the type of players that he had around him, I would have to give the edge to him over Marino.


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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248240
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Quote:
Originally posted by scarfacetm:
gotta remember thou quarterbacks dont get stats or win without top receivers and montana did have owens for a lttle bit as well as rice wereas i cant really remember anyone for marino so yea id probobly give it to montana
I agree with this also, but all of these QBs had good receivers at some point in their career. However, Owens never played with Montana, you may be confusing Young with Montana cuz Young did play with Owens.

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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248242
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Roethlisberger!!!

Ok I'm kidding. Some awesome QB's have already been mentioned and I'm going to be totally biased adding my pick. Terry Bradshaw. I'm not saying he's the greatest but when you're thinking of them he should be at least considered. Ok he was helped by the Steel Curtain D and awesome guys like Lynn Swann, Franco Harris, John Stallworth and co. But you can't dispute 4 rings!!!


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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248243
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Troy Aikman, Sammy Baugh, Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, Brett Favre, Bob Griese, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, Johnny Unitas and Steve Young. I've probably left out some.



Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248244
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I always thought Boomer Esiason was really good.


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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248245
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Quote:
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AMEN to that, Patrick! Brett Favre is arguably the toughest QB ever to play the game, as his Iron Man streak extends past the 200 game mark. He knows how to win, even when he didn't have what people call "superstar" caliber receivers.

During the season opener on Monday Night Football, his throws were clocked at 75 mph, equivalent to a 96 mph fastball in baseball. He's played well through a great deal of physical and personal setbacks over the years, which puts him over any player I've seen.

No offense to the other QBs. The other selections here were superb. I may be biased since I'm a huge Packers fan, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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Re: Best Quarterback of All-Time? #248246
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Favre has NEVER had a great WR. He has turned average guys into great WR. Just look at Freeman (time with Packers), Driver, and Walker. He also made Bill Schroeder a great WR a couple seasons ago. The only person he never really connected with was Glenn. -Pat


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Montana in my opinion, but I'd also put "Broadway" Joe Naimath up there too (just b/c I'm a Jets fan!)

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I think Joe Montana is tha best QB ever.

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From the modern era, I would say Joe Montana. Why - 4 Super Bowl trophies and his uncanny way to get the job done. Before Tom Brady ever laced them up on the pro field. Montana was the master of the 2 minute drill and bringing his team back in the 4th quarter. For crying out loud, he won the 2nd Super Bowl that SF played against Cincy with :16 seconds remaining. How much more clutch can you get?

I would also say that Favre, Marino and Elway are the other 2 from the modern era.

I certainly think Peyton Manning is well on his way, although if he doesn't win a ring, that he'll be viewed by some like Marino is perceived.

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Same with McNabb, Vick, and Steve AIR McNair if neither ever win a ring.

Really, all of them, if their careers continue to hold on to as they are right now, are marked for the Hall of Fame for sure.

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Montana, Namath, Favre, and Elway.

Honorable nods to Unitas, Kelly, Marino, et al.



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For me I would say Namath then Marino


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Quote:
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I always thought Boomer Esiason was really good.
Actually Boomer was named one of the the most prolific left handed QB's in the history of the game. I didn't write it, a sports writer did!


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Actually, now that I think of it, I'm surprised nobody even mentioned Steve Young (except Don Jasani)...



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Quote:
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Favre has NEVER had a great WR. He has turned average guys into great WR. Just look at Freeman (time with Packers), Driver, and Walker. He also made Bill Schroeder a great WR a couple seasons ago. The only person he never really connected with was Glenn. -Pat
Umm...are we forgetting Brooks, who was one of the best WR's in the 90's during their Super Bowl run?



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Aren't all of you forgetting the most obvious choice?

Ryan Leaf.


But in all seriouness, I'd have to say Joe Montana. Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino. plus many others.


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Quote:
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Aren't all of you forgetting the most obvious choice?

Ryan Leaf.
Leave the poor lad alone, he's nearly got 5 stars at McDonalds now.


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Favre did play with a great WR. People seem to have forgotten about Sterling Sharpe. In the early 90s the three best WRs in the league were Sharpe, Rice, and Irvin. In 1989, three years before Favre became the starter in Green Bay, Sharpe led the league in catches and was second in receiving yards and receiving TDs.

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Whereas Favre made the average receivers look great, Sterling Sharpe made an average quarterback in Green Bay look good...Don Majkowski!

There also has to be a place in history for guys like Gary Cuozzo and Sonny Sixkiller...

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Quote:
Originally posted by Don Corpuzzi:
Favre did play with a great WR. People seem to have forgotten about Sterling Sharpe. In the early 90s the three best WRs in the league were Sharpe, Rice, and Irvin. In 1989, three years before Favre became the starter in Green Bay, Sharpe led the league in catches and was second in receiving yards and receiving TDs.
I wouldn't call Sterling Sharpe "great." He didn't play long enough and didn't change games like the other two WR you mentioned. Defenses didn't build gameplans on stopping Sharpe. Rather, opponents did devise ways of stopping Favre and Dorsey Levens (during the Pack's mid-1990's run).

If you were to compare Sterling Sharpe to someone playing today, I would say he's in the same vein as Hines Ward, Eric Moulds, Derrick Mason, or Rod Smith. Sharpe was not in the same company as elite receivers like Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, or Randy Moss.

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Quote:
Originally posted by goombah:
I wouldn't call Sterling Sharpe "great." He didn't play long enough and didn't change games like the other two WR you mentioned. Defenses didn't build gameplans on stopping Sharpe. Rather, opponents did devise ways of stopping Favre and Dorsey Levens (during the Pack's mid-1990's run).

If you were to compare Sterling Sharpe to someone playing today, I would say he's in the same vein as Hines Ward, Eric Moulds, Derrick Mason, or Rod Smith. Sharpe was not in the same company as elite receivers like Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, or Randy Moss.
Sharpe was a great WR like Terrell Davis was a great RB for a few years. He broke the NFL record for receptions in a season twice in two years, back when 100 receptions was a rare thing. In 1992 he led the league in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving TDs (and remember that Jerry Rice was still in his prime at this time).

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