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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224686
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Hey

This is how Michael looks in the game, when he kills Solozzo :

I took this from the video Highlights II on the game website : http://www.ea.com/official/godfather/godfather/us/videos.jsp?setID=Highlights%20 II&resID=hi

By the way, you can see on the lower left of that page that the game will get out on XBox 360, "coming soon".


I don't post much on boards, but I wanted to thank J Geoff and MrTommygun87 for their respective reviews.


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I don't post much on boards...
April 2004 you joined, and this is your first post? Jesus, I think that needs a congrats thead over in General Discussion!


...dot com bold typeface rhetoric.
You go clickety click and get your head split.
'The hell you look like on a message board
Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224688
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Quote:
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I don't post much on boards....
Talk about an understatement!!

Anyway, its good to (finally) see you post.


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224689
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Well this game does look absolutely amazing.. I`ll definitely be getting it, without a doubt.


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224690
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Thank you Capo and SC.

I'm sorry I didn't post earlier but english isn't my primary language, and most of the time, the "search" function answers my questions

But I've been reading these boards for a while (even before I registered) and it has always been really interesting.

I'll try not to wait 2 more years for another post, lol


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224691
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Hello fellow board members! This is my first post.

To begin with, I am purchasing The Godfather game for the X-BOX--in fact, I took the liberty of reserving it with Electronics Boutique several days ago. In addition, I appreciate the efforts of J Geoff and others in shedding some more insight into the game. I'll admit that I haven't followed the game's development (and pending release) since last June, and I haven't heard much about it until this week, the week before its release.

Firstly, I apologize if the preceding question has been answered before, but did Al Pacino--who refused to allow EA Games to use his likeness (appearance)--simply allow UbiSoft to use his likeness or is he also doing voicework for their upcoming Scarface game?


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224692
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Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff:
[quote]Originally posted by Tony Love:
[b] What's the difference between the original and the collector's edition?
"The Collector's Edition for PS2 & X-Box includes: Behind-the-scenes video with James Caan and Robert Duvall; detailed "making of" game footage and interviews; documentary exploring the cultural impact of The Godfather; in-depth video walkthroughs of game strategy."

$10 more, but kinda worth it. Cancel your pre-order and order it via my site. :p [/b][/quote]Thanks Geoff!

I got my order switched at our local video game outlet, the Collector's Edition I have now ordered (I had already put money down on the game at the store, or else I would have ordered from your site, but thanks anyway, Geoff).


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224693
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Quote:
Originally posted by Butters:
...did Al Pacino--who refused to allow EA Games to use his likeness (appearance)--simply allow UbiSoft to use his likeness or is he also doing voicework for their upcoming Scarface game?
Welcome, Butters!

I don't know all the little details, so not sure if it was a "refusal" or a contractual issue - but as far as I know, Pacino only lent his likeness to the Scarface game. I was hoping he did the voicework, too, but I heard somewhere he didn't. (But I hope that source was wrong! )



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224694
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Pacino did lend his physical likeness to the Scarface game, but you're right Geoff, his voice won't be used. His voice has changed quite a bit since 1983, so much so that both he and the developers deemed his voice unusable. There were open casting calls for the voice-over of Tony Montana, and they seem to have found an exceptionally suitable voice actor (whom Pacino had the final say in hiring).

There's a pretty in-depth article on both The Godfather game and Scarface game in the March issue of PSM. You guys oughta check it out if you can still find it on newsstands.


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Thanks for the info, XXX!



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224696
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I just found the Strategy Guide on Amazon, so updated the links. And am plugging them again here so more people may see them.

The Strategy Guide features:
> A complete walkthough with multiple methods of completion
> Optimal tactics and multiple paths for every mission and contract hit
> Learn all Blackhand attacks, execution styles, and extortion techniques
> All secrets uncovered; from safes, heists, and film reels to racket trucks and weapon upgrades
> How to maximize your money and respect
> All the maps, NPC stats, ambush locations, etc
> A complete list of everything the game has to offer
> Art Galleries w/ production sketches, renders, paintings, etc...
> Over 300 pages!
> View: Quicktime trailer


Order it here: Prima\'s Official Strategy Guide ($12.99)

Order the games here:



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224697
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Thanks Don Malta


"Pain has no tendency, in its own right, to proliferate. When it is over, it is over, and the natural sequel is joy."
- C. S. Lewis

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh"
- George Bernard Shaw


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I found this quote on another site, by the Executive Producer of the game, and it seems to sum it up quite nicely...

Quote:
Your character interacts with and plays alongside every major character from the film. Your father was involved with the Corleone family, and you are invited to join their ranks as an outsider. You work your way up through the family by completing missions, hits and living world objectives. The game is epic in size and will take 40-60 hours to complete. We are completely true to the story from the book and the first film, but we do take a different perspective on it, as you play a low-level mobster working his way up. You are involved in a lot more of the action.



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224699
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wow


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- C. S. Lewis

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh"
- George Bernard Shaw


Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224700
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I'm reposting this, that I found on EA's forums:

Launch Party videos - EA threw a Godfather launch party in LA. Lots of celebs and athletes came out to check the game. Then, see behind-the-scenes footage with Caan, Duvall, and Vigoda!

Cops - Gameplay Designer John Calhoun breaks down 1945-1955 NYPD

The Five Families - Creative Director Mike Olsen details The Five Families

TV Coverage

Thursday 3/16 (damn, missed it! Hopefully it'll replay!)

VH1
Godfather Sneak Peek at 8p ET/PT
Godfather Sneak Peek at 12mid ET/PT

Friday 3/17

Comedy Central
A gang of coverage throughout Friday Night Stand Up 9-11p ET/PT

Saturday 3/18

Spike TV
Godfather-themed GameHead, filmed on the Paramount lot - 12:30a ET/PT

MTV
The Godfather: Money, Power, Respect at 10p ET/PT.

Sunday 3/19

MTV
The Godfather: Money, Power, Respect at 11p ET/PT

Monday 3/20

FX
Godfather Sneak Peek at 10p ET/PT -- this is not on the tv schedule, so perhaps it's a very short promo spot?


(Please check your local listings to be sure)



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224701
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I've updated the Gangster TV Listings to include the above!



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Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin

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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224702
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I just bought the strategy guide from GameStop. It looks pretty good. I'm very anxious for the game's release on Tuesday.


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"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth"-John Fitzgerald Kennedy
"The reason the mainstream is thought of as a stream is because of its shallowness"-George Carlin
Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224703
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tony Love:
I just bought the strategy guide from GameStop. It looks pretty good. I'm very anxious for the game's release on Tuesday.
Are there cheats?


"Well at first like everybody else I, I was a soldier."
Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224704
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I walked past F.Y.E at the mall tonight, and they had a big sign that said the GF game would be $19.99 there. $39.99 with a $20 mail-in rebate. I didn't have time to go in and get any other details. I don't see anything on their website.

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Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff:
[quote]Originally posted by XboxEvolved:
[b]I also borrowed some of your pics, but I will make sure you are credited. I will post in here the link to the preview and the "journal" article once it is finished! I enjoy your site Geoff, and lets hope they do this again for GF2 the game
John! Glad you stopped by, thanks! I think we all had a great time last weekend, and I look forward to checking out your take of it on your site! Thanks for the kind words, too, and feel free to borrow the pics. You were cool to hang with, and, I hope I taught you something about getting cigs cheap I'll visit you soon... [/b][/quote]And I'm.....


I live in the area, and I went to see John and hang out a bit. I talked a little bit with you, too. I didn't know who you were until John mentioned it.

This is the article about EA\'s Community Day

Nice meeting ya, see ya around.

Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224706
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tom:
Are there cheats?
I'm looking through, but not finding any. Sorry.


"Any American who is prepared to run for president should automatically, by definition, be disqualified from ever doing so"-Gore Vidal
"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth"-John Fitzgerald Kennedy
"The reason the mainstream is thought of as a stream is because of its shallowness"-George Carlin
Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224707
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I picked it up today. Its really good!


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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224708
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Quote:
Originally posted by XboxEvolved360:
I live in the area, and I went to see John and hang out a bit. I talked a little bit with you, too. I didn't know who you were until John mentioned it.

This is the article about EA\'s Community Day

Nice meeting ya, see ya around.
Carlos! It was nice meeting you, altho very briefly. Hopefully the next time we'll get to hang out more. Thanks for visiting, and for the link!



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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224709
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Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff:
[b]THE EA EVENT
(one flew in from Naples!)
[/b]
...And guess who's posting on your boards right now
...You should remember of a sleazy guy dressed with suspenders & tie and going by the name of "Roberto"...
And by the way, you should remember of our cigarette breaks outside the EA entrance... I'm still trying to defrost my shoes LOL

Anyway, I'd like to shout a big "CIAO" to everyone on this board and wish all the best to Geoff for his efforts on keeping it growing!


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just a quick question, i guess this is a case of game vs reality, but from what ive seen of the game, you can go around and hijack any car you want (a la GTA), but would a soldier (i assume thats how you start off, or if not a guy doing things for the mafia) really go around hi jacking cars on his way to do a job and draw attention to,himself? Surely they'd have a car ready or provided?

Pippi


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Quote:
Originally posted by Pippi:
just a quick question, i guess this is a case of game vs reality, but from what ive seen of the game, you can go around and hijack any car you want (a la GTA), but would a soldier (i assume thats how you start off, or if not a guy doing things for the mafia) really go around hi jacking cars on his way to do a job and draw attention to,himself? Surely they'd have a car ready or provided?

Pippi
As long as you're supposed to walk through the ranks of the family, earlier in the game you'll not be provided with any car by the family. But let me say that later on, the family will reward your loyalty with some "gifts"... :rolleyes:


"Non è personale Sonny...Affari, solo affari"
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Hey Spim (and of course Geoff), thanks for that Q&A thread at the EA Godfather forum. It was like finding an oasis of nerdery (it's also how I found these boards).

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Ciao Roberto, amico mio! (See, I'm learning! )



I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! tongue lol

Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin

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Attn: PC Gamers!

Tommygun posted this link on the EA boards yesterday and I wanted to share it here. If you go to System Requirements Lab and pull down to "The Godfather" (or any other game), it will examine your system to see if it meets the minimum and optimum system requirements to run the game. (There's a small download that will happen automatically to look at your system)

Apparently, my video card isn't up to snuff, so I guess I'll need to purchase a new one. Also, it says minimum 1.4GHz CPU -- mine's 1.3GHz, so hopefully it'll be okay. I need a new computer anyway after 3 years...



I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! tongue lol

Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin

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Re: THE GODFATHER: THE GAME - & Me at EA #224715
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Quote:
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Ciao Roberto, amico mio! (See, I'm learning! )
ahah! Nice amico mio, you're learning pretty fast! ( impari in fretta! )
Well, about the EA boards...I just "noob" around, I've never had the chance to play with a PS2 and guess what platform EA reserved to me...A PS2 lol Whilst Tommygun has probably almost beated the game, I've only managed to play my worldwide renowned M.B.M. game-style and take Multiple Beatings per Minute lol I dreamt of that "Iced" screen for how many times it showed on my video lol
Iced, iced, iced. Next time I play TGF I'll choose VODKA MARTINI as a nickname...At least it could perfectly fit with the "icing" matter lol


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