Do you think Ralph was responsible for the fire that lead to his demise in Episode 9, Season 4,? I tend to think he wasn't, and it was really an accident since Ralph was so caught up with his son's accident. I don't think he was thinking about money at that time.

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At first Lou, I didn't think he did. Then rewatching that episode on Sunday and hearing the way Ralphie was saying "It's just an animal, etc.", I started having my doubts. He was so slimely and sneaky, I think he could have done it. But I'm not positive, even tho I voted yes.


TIS

hi my name is angie zenteno , im new here , im from chile , and i think ralph did the fire stuff because he looks guilty , bye take care guys.

Welcome Angiez23,

I do believe you are our first member from Chile. Hope you enjoy it here.


TIS

I'll change it. I ASSumed everyone had to have seen Season 4 already. :p

I think Ralphie was surely capable of doing something like this, but I don't think he did.
Tony was so obsessed with that horse, I think he
just assumed Ralph did it, because he knows Ralphie is capable of doing something terrible like that.
I believe at the time it happened, the only thing Ralph was thinking about was his son. It even drove him to go to church, of all places. It seemed like he was trying to ammend his ways somewhat, because of his son's condition. He even asked Rosalie Aprile to marry him. I think the horse was the last thing on his mind.

You make valid points Just Lou. Ralpie's grief for his son did seem sincere. You may be right, but Ralphie is the kind of scum that you never quite trust. Hopefully we'll find out next season, along with other storylines that haven't come together yet. (i.e. Melfi's rape- will Tony find out and what will he do?)


TIS

If in fact Ralphie did start that fire it would be too "like him" to be true. I truly believe that he didnt do it.

Anyway, my history teacher is second cousins with Joe Pantolliano and he says that Joey Pants is a big time jerk in real life. Once when they were kids, my teacher beat him up. I thought that was hillarious.

RB,

How neat that your teacher is related to JP! Not that what he says isn't true but makes me wonder if he isn't just jealous?


TIS

Ralphie is crazy as a shit house rat, but I really dont think he did it. Just The way he was yelling at Tony and the look on his face convinced me.

For real TIS, they are related. Maybe he is a little jealous, I dont know for sure, but he attests to Joey being very stuck up since his career boomed and as a kid he was a social misfit. And when they were both kids, their families had slight ties with the mob. They remember going to mob funerals and seeing guys at the house quite often. Its pretty cool stuff.

When I first saw it I thought it was Paulie, and actually thought that Tony would find out and Paulie would be punished. I haven't seen this episode or season since, as I recorded over it before rewatching, but it is on my Chrimbo list, so maybe I'll find out for sure if it was Ralphie (I think it's nice that it's open to interpretation; it certainly gives the writers a chance to come back to it with a sudden twist in Season 5's plot).

Mick

At first I thought Ralphie did it... I really did. As the argument turned into a fight, I started to have my doubts. Ralphie was a piece of shit and obviously didn't care about the well-being of the horse, but I don't believe he killed her. He wasn't upset about it, but it didn't mean he did it.

I think it was Christopher. His reactions were a little suspect to me and he wanted to somehow "thank" Tony for helping him find the guy who killed he Father.

In Chris' junkie state, he'd have thought killing a "gimpy" horse so Tony could get the insurance settlement would be doing him a favor, I guess.

Nick

Hmmm, nothing leads me to believe Chris had anything to do with it, but "Paulie" is an interesting idea. If he was looking to get back at Tony, that would have been the one way to do it.

Yes. It was Ralph who set that fire. Once Tony headed for his house he was sure that Ralph was responsible. Ralph made it quite obvious by saying, "Its just an animal. It cost me a lot of money."

No, I don't think Ralph set the fire that killed Pie-O-My. I think he is certainly CAPABLE of doing such a thing, but I don't think he did it.

I think this is a case of Tony becoming more compulsive and irrational, and hurting his business by being that way.

You gotta wonder about Tony. He was more than willing to kill Ralph over ALLEGEDLY killing a horse, but was actually debating over killing Ralph a year earlier, when Ralph DEFINITELY killed Tracee.

Mr. Soprano has his priorities a tad mixed up, I think.

it had to have been Ralphie. There is no other candidate.

I was watching the Sunday reruns of the Sopranos(Season 4) and noticed the copyright was 2002. How long has it been since the last season? Did it end in 2002 or was that early 2003, I cant remember.

"it had to have been Ralphie. There is no other candidate."

You're right, there are no other candidates. The reason why is because it was an accident, not intentional arson. Ralphie was a guy who was capable of such a deed, but I don't think he did it.

It doesn't have to be anyone. It was supposedly an accident. Ralph's reaction is "typical Ralphie" and not surprising. He could care less about the horse, or most human beings. But at the time it happened, he was totally obsessed with his son's condition, and I believe the last thing on his mind was that horse, or losing/making money. The only thing on his mind right to the minute Tony killed him was his son.

I'd bet on Paulie. He was so pissed at Ralph for the prank on Paulie's mother and was still pissed with Tony. Although such a move might be too "smart" for Paulie, still he's my ultimate suspect if this fire was not accidental.

Paulie definitely knew T. to be fond of the horse and knew that Ralph was too much of an a$$hole to care for such a thing; therefore, it'd make sense to make such a move that was so horrible that only a fxxxed up person like ralph was capable of and hit Tony where it hurts. He had been "financially" hurting Tony but nothing made Tony feel as bad as an emotional hit ("...when they come, they come at what you love..." Mike in III) while at the same time blaming it on Ralph. Except he didn't (and nobody could) foresee the accident to Justin and that Ralph couldn't logically be in the presence of mind or emotions to plan such a move. I think that an un-emotional Tony who wasn't "clouded by his anger" (although he mentioned he controlled his anger an episode or two prior to that) would have ruled that it wasn't Ralph who set up the fire.

Besides, Paulie has to go in season 5. If for nothing else, because he opened his mouth to Johnny Sack and Tony will eventually find out. This is another reason to add to Paulie's demise. If he could get off with the money he cost Tony, he won't be let off the hook with the grief he caused the Boss.

A point to add is the painting he kept after Tony asked for it to be destroyed. Paulie might end up showing it to Tony to try and show off his "loyalty" that he kept something that "glorifies" the Boss.

I don't think any member of the Soprano family killed Pie-o-my. If it was a fellow-wiseguy i think they would have showed them doing it in typical Sopranos fashion.

I've just realsied, there is 1 episode of the sopranos that i have never seen, and its the one where Christopher kills the cop, thats really annoying, could someone tell me what this episode is called. Thanks.

"For All Debts Public And Private". The first episode of Season 4.

That's the worst Sopranos episode ever, IMO.

Mick

That's the worst Sopranos episode ever, IMO.

Mick [/b][/quote]Think so? Why? I can think of quite a few more that offered nothing to the storyline, than that one.

Everybody is completely different in that episode compared to where we left them in season three; Carmela's all lovey dovey over Furio, Chris is back into drugs, contrary to how we left him, and I didn't like Chris killing the (probably innocent as regards killing Chris' dad) cop.

I've seen season four twice now, and it's still good, but the worst in the season.

Mick

I agree there, but I sometimes wonder about the cop...

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/wernick/sightings/scoop/scoop_oldclip_40.shtml

Haydu didn't like Dickie, that's for sure. Doesn't mean he killed him, but still makes me wonder a bit.

Nick

I agree there, but I sometimes wonder about the cop...

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/wernick/sightings/scoop/scoop_oldclip_40.shtml

Haydu didn't like Dickie, that's for sure. Doesn't mean he killed him, but still makes me wonder a bit.

Nick [/b][/quote]If you watch the scene carfeully, the cop denies everything until Chris is about to shot him. Then he starts saying: "I'm sorry, I'm sorry". It makes me believe the cop did kill Dickie. Otherwise, what is he apologizing for?