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Dutch underworld #204018
11/04/05 11:47 AM
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The Dutch underworld is a hot item the last week. Three kills were the result. Evert Hingst, John Mieremet and Kees Houtman.

John Mieremet was the biggest of all. He had intense contacts with 'De Dominee' Klaas Bruinsma. The only mafia boss in the Netherlands. Mieremet was a close friend of Sam Klepper. Together they were called **** and Span (for the way they used violence). Mieremet was killed in Thailand were he thought he was safe.

Hingst was an underworld advocate and also advocate of Mieremet. Probably he was the one who instigated the failed killing of Mieremet in 2002. He let Mieremet come to his office and in front of the office he was shot by man on motorcycles. He survived. Mieremet always suspected Hingst as the one who made up the plan.

Houtman was a real-estate manager with very close contacts to Mieremet. He did money laundering for Mieremet and friends.

And some months ago Willem Endstra was killed. Also real-estate manager but also known as the banker of the underworld.

All of the people were linked to Klaas Bruinsma, and that's probably the reason for all the killings. Since Klaas had a fight over a drug-traffic who failed with the Yugo's. The Yugo's still need 10 milion of Klaas. And since his organization isn't paying the results are the killing.

Just to share.

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So, you have some hot criminal life out there? Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I thought it's calmer there!


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For a long time it was. But now it seems (according to paper this day) that all 3 murders were linked to eachother. Thus all murders were planned by someone. Speculated is that the 3 were murdered because police was on there tail. The 'others' were afraid that if they got caught they would rat-out and start talking. Maybe true, maybe not. We'll see.

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Then, they had their sources in police itself? How else could they know they were in danger of police investigation?


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'Dutch gangster gunned down in Pattaya city, Thailand.' I just read it on the newspaper today though. It seems like foreign gangster don't success much here, theyve been caught loads of times, once these Russian mobsters tried to run away on a boat after killing a Policeman and robbing a bank.



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I like to see real life Mob stuff from other countires posted on here. I wish that there were more of these kinds of mob stories being shared with us on here.


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I like to see real life Mob stuff from other countires posted on here. I wish that there were more of these kinds of mob stories being shared with us on here.


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Good idea, I'll remember your advice.


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MMFloors, you said Klaas Bruinsma (or what's his name) is the only maffiaboss in Nederland? But since he has the most Dutchiest name possible, I assume he's not Italian. Then how can he be a maffiosi? Or did you just use maffiaboss as a popular way of calling a topcriminal?


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His ex-lawyer was shot the day before in Amsterdam

'Underworld' lawyer shot dead day before TV interview

1 November 2005

AMSTERDAM — Ex-lawyer Evert Hingst was was shot dead in Amsterdam on Monday evening.

He was hit in the head by automatic gunfire on the Gerrit van der Veenstraat in the Amsterdam Zuid district shortly after 6pm. Children were playing nearby as the gunman stepped from a jeep and fired at Hingst.

The gunman and the accomplice sped off after the killing and the jeep was found burning two streets away. The police have launched a large-scale investigation into the latest gangland killing, but no arrests have been made.

As with many previous criminal "hits", the killers showed little or no regard for innocent bystanders.

"This shooting took place in the middle of the Amsterdam Zuid Halloween trick or treat route," expat Keren Davis told Expatica.

"Hundreds of expat children and their parents were out on the streets around and about as this happened. The British school was on holiday, but the International School had several children affected."

Hingst, who is said to have feared for his life, was due to record an interview with crime reporter John van den Heuvel on Tuesday about allegations that he was the "consigliere" (adviser) to the Amsterdam underworld.

The interview was to be broadcast on Van den Heuvel's new television show 'Bureau Misdaad' (crime office).

Hingst was also expected to talk about the claim he set up his former client and reputed gangster John Mieremet for assassination.

Mieremet was shot in the stomach and leg by two men on a motorbike shortly after he left Hingst's office on the Keizersgracht in Amsterdam on 26 February 2002. Mieremet survived and claimed he had been set up by Hingst.

Hingst stopped acting as a lawyer earlier this year after police found two guns in his office. He claimed the weapons belonged to another client, the criminal known as Mink K.
The lawyer was also arrested in 2004 and in April this year for questioning about the alleged laundering of drugs money.

Hingst had also represented criminal godfather Sam Klepper who was shot dead in Amsterdam in 2000.

Yesterday's murder occurred not far from the location of the assassination of property tycoon Willem Endstra in May 2004. Endstra had repeatedly denied allegations he was the "banker to the underworld".

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Quote:
Originally posted by Enzo Scifo:
MMFloors, you said Klaas Bruinsma (or what's his name) is the only maffiaboss in Nederland? But since he has the most Dutchiest name possible, I assume he's not Italian. Then how can he be a maffiosi? Or did you just use maffiaboss as a popular way of calling a topcriminal?
No he isn't Italian. But being Mafia these days can't be founded on being Italian. Today the way of acting and 'doing things' decides if you are Mafia or not....

JustMe: I don't know how they knew. But a high Police Officer said in papers that this was probably the reason, and he confirmed that there was Police Investigation on these people. So yeah, there must be someone talking in Police/Justice system...

DonCardi: Yeah, I like that too. But since nothing is happening in this country conected to Mob I can't share.

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A few months ago there was a problem with 3 Willems..

The three Willems were:

Willem Holleeder: One of the biggest criminals in the Dutch Underworld today. He was one of the kidnappers of the famous Freddy Heineken in 1983.

Willem Endstra: Willem Endstra was a real-estate manager and als known as 'banker of the underworld' (as MMFloors said in his post). He laundred money for the underworld.

Willem van Boxtel: He was the president of the Hells Angels in Amsterdam.


Willem Holleeder was said to extort Endstra. Endstra wasn't so pleased with this and opposed Hells Angels-president Willem "Big Willem" van Boxtel to kill Holleeder for -I believe- 1 million euro.
But Holleeder found out about the plan and Endstra got whacked on the 17th of May (2004) in the middle of Amsterdam on broad-daylight.
Big Willem was forced by his underlings (forced by Holleeder?) to leave the Hells Angels. He left the organization in what they call 'bad standing'.

Just to give you a little bit history-information about the things that are going on at the moment...


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This has nothing to do with the topic, but always remember that Heineken is not beer, it's afwaswater. Remember that...


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Quote:
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This has nothing to do with the topic, but always remember that Heineken is [b]not beer, it's afwaswater. Remember that... [/b]
Lol....

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MMFloors, do you also know something about possible maffia existence in Belgium?

Edit: I just found this in the maffiabooksthread

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[b]Bloedsporen: een Reis naar de Mafia (Bloodtracks: a Journey to the Mafia) by Danny Ilegems and Raf Sauviller

This book was written by two Belgian writers, it's in Dutch, I tried to find English translations but couldn't find them.

It deals with Silvio Berlusconi and his Forza Italia (the book was published in '95 so not exactly up to date), the very beginning of the mafia, the 60s and 70s in which Milan would to become Italy's biggest Northern-Italian mafianest, the late 70s and the 80s of Toto Riina and heroin, uptil 1995. Also, the immigration of the Sicilians in the 50s and 60s in the BENELUX who came to rocognise that Holland and Belgium are walhalla for criminals. [/b]


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I've read that book. But I don't think that book is mentioning any Belgium Mafia activity. They are more talking about crime in the BENELUX and the relations criminals have with other organizations.

But that ofcourse doesn't prove that there isn't any Mafia activity....I don't know more about it.

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Okay, a new murder in the dutch scene. George van Kleef is the victim. A known person in the underworld of crime. Connected to Holleeder (explained by Juventus).

When I know more I post.

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I will try to keep this topic alive and first begin to tell you guys some more about the latest killing. Because the latest post is of the 11th of november.

George van Kleef was related to Kees Houtman (he was also recently killed) and earlier named Willem Holleeder.

The recent kills in the Dutch underworld had something to do with the reinvestment of drugmoney of Michael Vane. Michael Vane was killed in 1993. His millions were invested in real-estate in Amsterdam North.

There are strong theories that Willem Holleeder is responsible for the latest killings.

When I know more about this I will post it.


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New members of Holland, I appreciate that.

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Attempted murder in Dutch underworld on sunday the 27th:

An bigtime drugdealer was almost killed when someone fired two shots at him. He survived the hit with because he was wearing a bulletproof jacket and had a lot of luck on his side. The first thing he did was calling a television crime journalist who is well known in Holland and in the underworld. But this all is just his story and no nobody knows if it's true. He refused to go to the police. He said "I will handle it my own".

When I know more about this I will post it!!!


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Here another contribution from Holland;

My prediction for the next big hits are:

#1: Erik De Vlieger (real estate millionare with wrong friends)
#2: Willem Van Boxtel (former Hell's Angels president for Amsterdam as well as all of Europe)
#3: Willem Holleder (Heineken kidnapper and Capo di Amsterdam)

And YES, they are all related to the liquidations this thread started with.

PS: Heineken might be the best marketed beer in the world but it also still tastes better than a BURPweiser

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The next big hit..Vlieger....

Or maybe John van den Heuvel cause of his annoying behaviour towards the criminals.

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Nah, he's a journalist, meaning just about as important as a non-malaria carrying mosquito.

Unless of course good old Peter R De Vries will start acting like a real dirty politician and has him whacked.

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There is a chance that John van de Heuvel will be killed or at least give him a warning, because don't underestimate his knowledge of the Dutch underworld. He knows a lot. It isn't smart when they kill him but they don't give a shit.
And ofcourse Erik de Vlieger, he might be killed too because he created some enemies. Including one who doesn't care about him a all. And that enemie is the Justice Apartment. So we just have to wait, maybe it will be quit for some time.


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Vlieger also has a lot of other enemies who aren't member of the Department of Justice.

And one other thing, John van den Heuvel is a whole different journalist that Peter R. de Vries. I think John had been more on top of the criminals then Peter. That can give him some extra problems.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enzo Scifo:
[QB] MMFloors, do you also know something about possible maffia existence in Belgium?

There is some mob-activity in Belgium. This is about the Italian mafia:
A couple of years ago interpol raided a castle that was used by the Camorra as the center of their activities in northern Europe.

In the province Limburg there is a large Italian population, and some family-members of Bernardo Provezano (capo dei capi on sicily) live in a small town called Eisden. It is said that Provenzano stayed there several times the past decades. Belgium is kind of a refuge for mobsters on the run (probably because of the lousy authorities). But I don't know if these things about Limurg are true.
With LCN you never know for sure!


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Quote:
Originally posted by Willy:
probably because of the lousy authorities
Touché!


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Another one bites the dust!

A 46 year old man was shot dead in his car in Amsterdam this morning. No further details are known yet but the police suspect it's another hit...

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New kill in Dutch underworld (3 Days old news):

Srdan Miranovic, a very known member of the Yugo's (Yugoslavian mafia) and active in Amsterdam. He was assasinated when he called his son from his car.

Miranovic was also a close friend of Alex 'Astjika' Bulatovic who was assasinated in Amsterdam in may 2003. Other ties with criminals: Gijs van Dam jr., Vukmirovic, Jotcha J. Jotcha is the only one who still lives.

The wife of Miranovic, de Bruijn, has already lost one man before. This was Martin Hoogland, the killer of the only Dutch mafia-boss Klaas Bruinsma.

The family will perform counter action on the murderes of Miranovic. "Nobody attacks us without punishment.."

Source: Article of John van den Heuvel

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Today's news:

The Justice Department in Holland are considering to arrest Willem Holleeder. They decision will come next week. Willem Holleeder is maybe the number one man in the Dutch underworld. The Justice Department think he is the brain of the Dutch Hells Angels.
Willem Holleeder was first caught back in 1983 when he and some others kidnapped Freddy Heineken. He was convicted for 11 years, when he came out of prison he proceeded his underworld life.
His lawyer said as a comment that the only thing Willem Holleeder was guilty of is speeding with his car.

I will keep you updated when some more news will arise.


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Today's news:

Willem Holleeder was arrested last night. Together with some other underworld partners. Some of them are Dutch and some from Yoegoslavia (I hope I spelled it right). The question know is what does the justice department come up with. He is maybe the number one man in the Dutch underworld.

I will keep you updated.


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