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Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203839
10/11/05 12:28 PM
10/11/05 12:28 PM
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Since so many here have so often posted on the Mafia and drugs, I thought I’d offer a scenario on how the current Mafia works with drug dealing in a “banned” environment. First, background:

As has been noted here many times, the Mob has been involved in drugs since Day One. Drugs had been a relatively small source of income compared with gambling, prostitution, loan sharking, labor rackets, etc. Law enforcement against drugs was lax when the popular perception was that traffic was confined to minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn’t care much about. But in the Sixties, drug use exploded among nice, white, middle-class kids, including sons and daughters of police, judges, politicians, etc. Law enforcement, and sentences, got tougher. Passage of the RICO Act in 1970 made it much easier to convict Mob guys and hit them with double-digit sentences.

Mafia bosses were in a bind: They liked drug money but didn’t like the new, higher risks. They also knew that a “ban” on drug trafficking in their families would be unenforceable—there was too much money and greed to stop it. They’d be in the position of the Federal Government during Prohibition: passing a law that nobody obeyed and everyone disrespected—and a Mafia boss can’t afford any disrespect. They wouldn’t be able to effectively police their families: how could they know everything that every street guy was doing every hour of every day? They might be in the position of having to kill the wrong guy, or worse (from their viewpoint), a good earner. Finally, a real “ban” would simply drive the trafficking totally underground—meaning that they wouldn’t get their cut.

So the Mafia Dons fell back on the common denominator of Mob life: hypocrisy. They declared a ban on selling drugs, with a death penalty for violators--and promptly looked the other way. They figured that the threat would discourage the weaker soldiers, who were more likely to get caught by the cops. The more capable, ambitious guys would be willing to take the risks—and be less likely to get caught. The money would continue to flow upward, which was all they cared about. In short, the imperative wasn't "don't deal drugs," it was "don't get caught."

Now let’s look at how this might work in real life:

Vinny is an up-and-coming made guy in a NY family that officially “bans” drug trafficking. He’s a good earner, so he’s been given a slice of territory in Spanish Harlem, where he has some gambling, sports betting and loan shark action. One day, Jose, a neighborhood guy who’s an occasional borrower, asks Vinny to lend him $8k for two weeks. Whoa, says Vinny, that’s a lot—what do I get as surety for my loan (other than your kneecaps)? Not to worry, says Jose: I know a guy who knows a guy who’s a crewman on a freighter coming to NY from Lebanon. He’s bringing in a kilo of heroin. By the time we finish cutting the stuff and selling it, we’ll make $80k. Vinny says yes, and two weeks later, Jose pays him his $8k plus $960 vig (6%/week for two weeks). Technically, Vinny didn’t violate the Family’s ban on drug dealing as he interprets it—he didn’t sell drugs. But he financed a drug deal that put a key of H on the street.

Like every other Mob guy, Vinny’s greedy: why should he make only $960 on a deal that netted a nobody like Jose more than $70k? Jose comes to him a month later and says he wants to borrow $40k because the sailor’s coming in again, this time with five keys of H. Vinny says that, for such a big loan, he’ll have to meet the guy. Vinny tells Jose to bring the guy, and his five keys, to a Mobbed-up bar near the waterfront. As soon as they meet, Vinny pushes Jose aside and tells the guy that he’ll buy the five keys, directly. He tells him he wants a “volume discount”: Since he’s buying such a big quantity, he’ll pay $5k per key, not the $8k that Jose was going to pay. The sailor starts to protest but Vinny replies: “Hey, you’re still makin’ a pile of money on s**t that didn’t cost you more’n a coupla grand in Syria or wherever you got it. You don’t like it, you can leave—feet first.” The guy catches the drift, takes Vinny’s $25k and hands over the five kilos of heroin. Vinny smiles: “Hey, I’ll take all the s**t you wanna bring in, anytime you come to NY. Just let Jose know when you’re gonna be here.”

Jose’s been too scared to say anything, so Vinny throws him a bone. He puts his arm around him and says, “Hey, ya done good tonite, Jose. I’m gonna let you have that H. It’ll cost you $20k per key—that’s my fee for hosting the sitdown and for protection. Don’t worry about sellin’ it—if the s**t’s as good as you said, you can cut it down more.” Where’s Jose going to get $20k/kilo? He can borrow it from Vinny! Now Vinny’s got two sources of profit: he quadrupled what he paid for the heroin—and he’s getting vig from the guy he cheated. He could make even more if he sold it on the street, but Vinny’s too smart to take that risk, and too busy to spend his time mixing milk sugar with the drug and selling dime bags to a bunch of lowlifes. Besides, his Family prohibits "selling" drugs. He’ll let Jose do it.

Now, Jose’s really got to hustle to make his payments to Vinny. So he recruits some members of a local street gang to sell the dime bags. But those guys are ruthless—they’re not going to settle for making a dollar on every dime bag. Their leader kills Jose, takes the remaining dime bags, cuts them further, and sells them. This is just what Vinny was expecting. He lets a couple of weeks go by, then grabs the gang leader off the street. Vinny tells the gang-banger forcefully that he assumed Jose’s debt when he appropriated Jose’s stash—and he’s now two weeks behind in the vig. He smacks him around to reinforce his point. Then he smiles: “You can make up the vig, and make yourself more money, if you buy the rest of the s**t and distribute it. I’ll even make sure nobody interferes with your operation in this neighborhood.” The gang-banger, grateful for his life, accepts.

Vinny’s now making even more money. He kicks a nice piece of it upstairs to his crew chief. In turn, he passes some to his capo, who shares some with the Don. Pretty soon, the whole East Harlem operation, and everyone in it, is looking very good to the Don. But the Don’s not dumb—he has a good idea where the money originates. He hears about a drug bust that netted some members of a black gang in Brooklyn. He mentions to his capos, “Hey, it’s a real good thing that we have a ban on selling drugs in our borgata, and a death penalty for violators. Otherwise we’d wind up like them no-good, undisciplined mulinians over there.” The capos pass the word on down. Vinny’s crew chief, who knows what’s going on, says to Vinny, “Uh, by the way, you ain’t sellin’ drugs, are you?” “Me?” replies Vinny, indignantly. “Sellin’ f*****’ s**t to a buncha lowlifes on the street? Not on your f*****’ life!” Vinny told the literal truth: he’s not actually selling drugs on the street—he’s just wholesaling drugs to the guys who are selling them. As far as he’s concerned, he’s not violating the family’s ban on “selling drugs.” His crew chief is satisfied—and so’s everyone over him. They’re all getting their piece of Vinny’s action. As long as Vinny’s producing money, they’re content to look the other way. If he gets caught, he knows they’ll try to kill him before he can rat them out. Everyone knows the score.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203840
10/11/05 03:30 PM
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Very interesting read, Turnbull. Thanks for the nice piece of info.

I enjoyed it, but what about Jose rating on Vinnie? Jose orders a bunch of guys to shoot Jose.



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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203841
10/11/05 05:22 PM
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yeah, very interesting


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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203842
10/18/05 04:46 AM
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Good post Turnbull!
Quote:
Originally posted by Turnbull:


Vinny’s now making even more money. He kicks a nice piece of it upstairs to his crew chief. In turn, he passes some to his capo, who shares some with the Don.
I always thought a soldiers (like Vinny in your story) reports directly to a caporegime. I never heard of a level between the capo and the soldier (what you call a crew chief)...

Since your always right, i'll wait for explenation


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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203843
10/18/05 03:19 PM
10/18/05 03:19 PM
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I'm not always right , but in this case:
Some families that were very big had crew chiefs who were over soldiers and associates. The crew chiefs reported to caporegimes. That was how it worked in the old Gambino family. Modern US Mafia families have shrunk so much that in most cases, a crew chief either doesn't exist or is, in effect, a caporegime.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203844
10/18/05 04:39 PM
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Very interesting...


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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203845
10/18/05 06:32 PM
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Turnbull if you wrote a book I guarantee you would sell at least one copy, because I know that I'd buy it.



Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203846
10/19/05 02:19 AM
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Great post, and no doubt plausible if not accurate.

And thanks for putting in print a word I'd only ever heard spoken in the past...I wouldn't even begin to guess on the spelling, but I knew exactly what you meant when I saw it!

tony b.


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Re: Dons and drugs: real life (long post) #203847
10/19/05 10:07 AM
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Fantastic stuff Turnbull. Everything that you said is so true about them.


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