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Being the son of a Don #203539
09/22/05 02:13 PM
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If you are a son of a Don, could you be a Don jumping possitions(Soldier, Caporegime, underboss, consigliere)to become a Don if your father wants it like this? In The Godfather Michael did not make all the possitions. John Gotti Jr either, or at least I don`t think so. Alphonse Perisco, I don`t know but I doubt it. Being the son of a Don, can you take advantage of it?Can a Don give the place to his son even though his son did not make all the possition like Michael?


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203540
09/22/05 03:30 PM
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I expect that if a maffiaboss wants to have a succesor, or install someone in a highranked position, he takes someone who he can trust.
Then a son is indeed a serious possibility, since I don't think there are many sons who betray their family, in the history of the mob (okay, Fredo, I'll give you that ).


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203541
09/22/05 04:20 PM
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But not all the underbosses/caporegimes would agree with that. If the son become boss they were passed-over. Maybe they are gonna betray the family (like Tessio).

Bonanno wanted his son as successor but the commission didn't agree, neither did his caporegime (or underboss?) Gaspare DiGregorio.

It doesn't happen often, the only examples I can think of in NYC are:
John Gotti-Junior Gotti
Carmine Perisco-Al Persico

Santo Trafficante succesor was his son Santos Trafficante, Tampa.

In Sicily i think it happens more often than in America.


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203542
09/22/05 05:04 PM
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There is nothing that says, in mobdom of course, that one must hold each title/postiton in the chain of command to become a Don.

Like any other structured organization, it is preffered that a person who is going to be given a high postion work his way up the ladder, holding titles at different levels in the chain of command. But we see it everyday in the business world. We see people who've worked for 20 years in a company, working their way up the ladder and holding various high ranking positions and titles each time they advance up the ladder and then one day some young, inexperienced college kid comes walking in and says
" Hello, I am your new boss!" And it turns out that he may be the nephew of the President of the company.

If John Gotti took his son under his wing, and taught him the business, there is no rule that says that John Jr. had to hold a postion at each level in the family structure before being named the Boss of the family.

Come to think of it when Gotti Sr. decided to have Big Paul wacked, he ( Gotti ) was not the next in line to be the new Don. He had him wacked and then just took the position because of an alliance that he formed with other bosses and capos before taking Big Paul out of the picture.


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203543
09/22/05 08:54 PM
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A Don is an absolute monarch. He can do whatever he wants, including elevating his son over anyone and everyone. But that doesn't mean that anyone and everyone will like it and go along with it. The famous and highly destructive "Bananna War" of the mid-Sixties was fought in part because a lot of Bonanno Family members (and others in the Mafia) resented Joe's readying of his son Bill to become his successor. A lot of Gambinos resented Junior's elevation to power--look how long he lasted. :rolleyes: Alphonse Persico's rise was accompanied by more destructive divisiveness.


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203544
09/27/05 01:58 PM
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i have a question if like al capones son your only half italian and your father is a don well can you be made or are you already made and if you can can you be the boss please respond i know bout the mafia very well except for this please let me know


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203545
09/27/05 02:13 PM
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i have a question completly of topic how do you get those ratings under your name like underboss and don and made meber please send me a privste message about that thanks because i would like to know i never saw anything that said choose ur position


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203546
09/27/05 02:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by SCARFACE jr:
i have a question if like al capones son your only half italian and your father is a don well can you be made or are you already made and if you can can you be the boss please respond i know bout the mafia very well except for this please let me know
To be made, you have to be full blooded Sicilian/Italian.

Al Capone wasn't in the mafia. He was the leader of an outfit.


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203547
09/27/05 02:59 PM
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Actually you can be half italian by your father. John Gotti jr was half italian.
but I would like them to consider being half italian by your mother.


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203548
09/28/05 01:37 PM
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OH i dint know he wasant in the mafia but he was a gangster it did say an outfirt well thanks


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203549
09/28/05 01:40 PM
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are the gotti kids 100 percent the kids of ove growing up gotti and is there mother victoria the daughter of john gotti who was ratted on by sammy the bull my dad said victoria gotti on the show is his wife i dont think she is


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203550
09/29/05 09:06 AM
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She's the daughter of the famous John "the Teflon Don/ The Dapper Don" Gotti, and sister of John "Junior" Gotti


'This was just another Bronx tale.'
Re: Being the son of a Don #203551
09/29/05 10:06 AM
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John Gotti's grandparents were Neapolitan immigrants.
John Gotti's wife, Victoria, supposedly had a Jewish father and Italian mother. Therefore, Junior Gotti is three-quarters Italian.
According to Joe (Donnie Brasco) Pistone, in his book, "The Way of the Wiseguy," the "rule" in the Mafia now is that you can be made if your father is Italian--presumably your mother can be anything else. It sounds convincing. But I tend to be skeptical for two reasons. First, Mafia "rules" (if they're really "rules," rather than figments of journalists' imaginations) are seldom applied uniformly, if at all. Second, I can't imagine that, since exposing his Bonanno pals, Pistone gets regular calls from his former Mafia associates informing him of the latest regulations and protocols.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Being the son of a Don #203552
09/29/05 11:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Turnbull:
Victoria, supposedly had a Jewish father and Italian mother. Therefore, Junior Gotti is three-quarters Italian.
Turnbull, what do you mean by "Jewish father"? In Italy there are Jewish people and they are, of course, Italians! :rolleyes:


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Re: Being the son of a Don #203553
09/29/05 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lavinia from Italy:
[quote]Originally posted by Turnbull:
[b] Victoria, supposedly had a Jewish father and Italian mother. Therefore, Junior Gotti is three-quarters Italian.
Turnbull, what do you mean by "Jewish father"? In Italy there are Jewish people and they are, of course, Italians! :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Y'know, Lavinia, I was just wondering about that yesterday. "Jewish" is a religion, not a nationality, and there are plenty of Italian Jews. "Mafia" is a crime affiliation, not a religious order. Theoretically, a Jew of Italian extraction could be made as a member of the Mafia. However, I'm betting that Victoria Gotti's father wasn't an Italian Jew, since most American Jews are of Eastern European extraction.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Being the son of a Don #203554
09/29/05 12:19 PM
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Jews are a people, and a religion. The nationality they have when they are citizens of Israel is Israelian.


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