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How To Get Into The Mob
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01/12/05 07:47 AM
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The Slippery Slope
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This week's New York Magazine has a really interesting article about the rise and fall of Peter Gotti, and the current state of affairs of the New York families. The most interesting part, though, was one of those little "side Boxes", written by noted mob historian Jerry Capeci, about the "rules and procedures that govern the induction of new members". I don't know how much of this is accurate, but almost all of it is new to me......
-- New members can be "made" only as replacements for mobsters who have died, although each family is allowed to add two new members at Christmastime.
-- Names of proposed members, and the deceased members they replace, must be circulated to the other families, who have two weeks to lodge an objection-for example, the candidate is an informer or the candidate is an associate of another family.
-- Families may not replace a defector who cooperates with the government, until he dies.
-- Families may never relace a member the family has killed.
-- Both parents of an inductee must be of Italian heritage, s change in previous poliy requiring that only the father's lineage be Italian.
There are exceptions to every rule, however, especially with a career criminal devoted to beating any system, including the one he vows to live by.
"Sometimes", former Bonanno underboss Salvatore Vitale told the FBI, "I would make up names of dead guys so we could induct more members than the rules allow,", adding that on at least one occasion, he got names "out of the phone book"
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
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01/12/05 02:35 PM
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I dunno. Everyone (including journalists and us here) is fascinated by Mafia "rules and regulations." I kept reading about new "rules" that went in after the Donnie Brasco affair. But, as a practical matter, the only rule that governs the Mob is greed, and survival of the fittest. Can you imagine that a Mob bigshot who wants to make a relative or favorite associate going along with a veto from another family?
In "Goodfellas," Paulie goes along with a demand from the Gambinos that he whack those responsible for Billy Batts' murder--a clear violation of the Mob "rule" against raising a hand against a made man. As a practical matter, Paulie was happy to get rid of Tommy, who he regarded as a "cowboy with too much to prove." He didn't punish Jimmy and Henry, even though he knew they were involved: they were good earners.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
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01/13/05 10:25 PM
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The Ravenite Social Club
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Originally posted by JustMe: By the way.
Winegardner in GFR writes that when Geraci was "made", "At the ceremony his finger was cut by Vito himself". I heard that Japanese Mafia has tradition to cut fingers, but who knows anything about such things in Sicilian Mafia? Turnbull, you positively must have information!  Actually years ago part of the initiation ceremony of being made was that you slit your finger and your "sponser" slit his and then the both of you touched fingers, mixing the blood, hence becoming "one" in the mob, bloodbrothers, This was known as taking " The blood oath!" One of the steps in your initiation into the family. Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
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01/13/05 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: [QUOTE]Actually years ago part of the initiation ceremony of being made was that you slit your finger and your "sponser" slit his and then the both of you touched fingers, mixing the blood, hence becoming "one" in the mob, bloodbrothers, This was known as taking " The blood oath!" One of the steps in your initiation into the family.
Don Cardi They stopped doing this since the advent of AIDS and herpes. Now, before the finger-slitting, both the inductee and the sponsor must submit proof that they've been using condums for at least seven years. 
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
#201434
01/16/05 01:01 AM
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I am sure that most traditions in the mafia were well played out back in the day' but, as every tradition does, I am sure that some have faded away. Don't get me wrong, I believe that some families still enact on some of the old traditions but nowadays, most Dons are much more interested in making money then the old mustache petes were.
"I never wanted this for you. I work my whole life--I don't apologize--to take care of my family, and I refused to be a fool, dancing on the string held by all those bigshots. I don't apologize--that's my life--but I thought that, that when it was your time, that you would be the one to hold the string. Senator Corleone; Governor Corleone."
-Don Vito Corleone to his son, Michael
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
#201435
01/22/05 05:45 PM
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Giovanni Brusca said that the initiates blood was smeared on the image of a saint which was then burnt as Brusca took the oath. Originally posted by DonGenco:
nowadays, most Dons are much more interested in making money then the old mustache petes were. Wasnt that just a myth? The whole bit about the new guys under Luciano killing off all the old mafiosi because they were standing in the way of making more money. I think both generations had the same interest and this was just a myth made up after the Castallemerese war and applied again to the "first" mafia war in Sicily.
"I don't want my brother coming out of that toilet with just his dick in his hand, alright?"
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Re: How To Get Into The Mob
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01/22/05 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Pax Soprana:
Giovanni Brusca said that the initiates blood was smeared on the image of a saint which was then burnt as Brusca took the oath.
[quote]Originally posted by DonGenco:
[b] nowadays, most Dons are much more interested in making money then the old mustache petes were. Wasnt that just a myth? The whole bit about the new guys under Luciano killing off all the old mafiosi because they were standing in the way of making more money. I think both generations had the same interest and this was just a myth made up after the Castallemerese war and applied again to the "first" mafia war in Sicily. [/b][/quote]Well the old guys were still interested in making money, but, they were killed off for a reason, they liked where they were and they didn't see much reason to expand. It was people like Luciano and Costello that worked extra hard to expand the empire all over and force their hands in every pie, but to do that, their bosses had to be killed. And it was with the end of the Castellamarese War that the new had replaced the old, and the Mafia became an empire crossing from coast to coast of American soil. P.S.-Don Cardi, Congratulations on your 2000th post! 
"I never wanted this for you. I work my whole life--I don't apologize--to take care of my family, and I refused to be a fool, dancing on the string held by all those bigshots. I don't apologize--that's my life--but I thought that, that when it was your time, that you would be the one to hold the string. Senator Corleone; Governor Corleone."
-Don Vito Corleone to his son, Michael
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