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Re: Joey Zaza
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12/15/03 06:31 PM
12/15/03 06:31 PM
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Don't forget that Michael was still very peceptive in the first meeting with Zasa. While Michael didn't want to get involved with the beef between Vincent & Zasa, Michael probably believed Vincent's allegations: MICHAEL
Joey. If there’s some guy running around this city saying "fuck Michael Corleone", what do we do, with a piece of shit like that? He’s a fucking dog, no?
ZASA (pauses, then)
Yes it’s true. If anyone would say such a thing, they would not be a friend. They would be a dog. I think the later snub of Zasa by Michael was partially a result of this ecounter. I think it was also a display of trust that Michael was starting to develop with Vincent. Zasa proved that he was untrustworthy by planning the hit on the dons at the meeting. Don't forget, this elaborate plan was in place before Zasa knew that receive a cut of the money from Michael.
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Re: Joey Zaza
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12/15/03 10:27 PM
12/15/03 10:27 PM
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Turnbull
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This is another example of the plot weaknesses that make GFIII feeble compared with GF and II:
We have to assume that, since Zasa showed up with the other guys, he invested money with Michael as did the other guys. Therefore, he deserved to be paid off like the other guys. Is it really plausible that Michael, who was trying so desperately to "get out," would invite a war with Zasa by publicly welshing on him and humiliating him? And why would Michael do it? To avenge the attack on Vincent--which he in effect sanctioned at his party when he told Zasa that he had no quarrel with him over Vincent? And if Zasa expected to be paid, why did he arrange the helicopter attack? As a contingency in case he didn't get paid? Or did he think he would be paid off, then walk out seconds before the helicopter attacked? Is any of this plausible? Sure, all this makes for one of the (few) dramatic action scenes in III. But it has a hasty, implausible, almost cartoonish feel to it, imo.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Joey Zaza
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12/16/03 10:58 AM
12/16/03 10:58 AM
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I think we have to assume that since he was offered no share of the "casino money" at the meeting, that Zasa had invested nothing in the casinos to begin with. I would guess that when the monies were invested (we have to figure that in its correct historical context, this would have been some time in the 1950's, when most of the "first round" of Vegas hotels and casinos were built, some 20 or more years before GF 3 takes palce), Zasa was nothing more than an upstart--not the head of a family prepared to make large investments.
So that raises the question of what was he doing at the meeting in the first place? Perhaps he was invited simply as as gesture of respect. It was Zasa, after all, who took over the Corleone Family rackets in NY, so that would make him a fairly powerful Don, even if he wasn't a member of The Commission.
I'd guess that Don Altobello had something to do with Joey's invitation.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: Joey Zaza
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12/16/03 12:58 PM
12/16/03 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: This is another example of the plot weaknesses that make GFIII feeble compared with GF and II: (...) Is it really plausible that Michael, who was trying so desperately to "get out," would invite a war with Zasa by publicly welshing on him and humiliating him? and that´s it exactly. if we know one thinG abot the world of The Godfather, it´s that a public humiliation or snubbinG will not Go unresponded. especially not with a Guy that is so obsessed with his reputation and imaGe as Zasa is. Alonzo (nice name, i love Tod BrowninG ), i think it miGht be a plothole, but it´s possible that Zasa wasn´t one of the casino investors in the first place. the beGinninG of GF III suGGests that Zasa, althouGh a decent mobster, is not one of the biG shots. the part of business HE was involved in was the part that Michael had left behind a lonG time aGo. that´s my Guess. but in General, i´d stick with the plothole. GreetinGs, consiG.
"i understand you have to deal with a lot of people who try to seem more important than they are. In my case the reverse is true." -Tom Hagen
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