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Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196021
01/03/03 11:51 AM
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Wow u learn everything new everyday..
GF movies made ,my dad start his own business. which was succesful.
But that was is in da past..


Using no way as way
Having no limitation as limitation

He who dares wins!

Lifes a game...it has no rules..play it how YOU want!!

The world is yours..
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196022
01/07/03 10:05 PM
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Yeah, a few years back i was considering a job offer from Enron

Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196023
01/08/03 08:17 AM
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No I don't want to do something illegal

Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196024
01/08/03 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by M.M. Floors:
No I don't want to do something illegal
Diden't your parents never tell you to ly? Not even on the BB!


"I won't be a man like you." - Michael to Vito, orginal Part II ending
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196025
01/08/03 02:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Michael Corleone 14:
[quote]Originally posted by M.M. Floors:
[b]No I don't want to do something illegal
Diden't your parents never tell you to ly? Not even on the BB! [/b][/quote] Good one

Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196026
01/08/03 03:01 PM
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I don't think I have the credentials. I'm not Italian, I've never been arrested, and I don't own a gun (I know that will shock you, Uzi).

I don't think I would get far in the mob quoting lines from the Godfather.


"After all, we are not communists"

Christopher Moltisanti: You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease?

Tony Soprano: Yeah well, when you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196027
01/09/03 01:16 AM
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That should make my life a little exciting. Not that I'm bored, it's just that I thought these mobsters live their lives a little too dangerously.

Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196028
01/09/03 01:09 PM
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One thing that everyone seems to forget is that to get anywhere in the Mob, you have to be willing to kill someone, or "make your bones" before you can become anything but a button.
It ain't all that grand. My grandfather and Uncle( may they rest gently) were both involved in rum-running during Prohibition, and let me tell you, the stories would make you a little less starry-eyed!


"Who's your father?"

"I'll give you a hint; he's Italian."
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196029
01/11/03 04:16 PM
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haha i think about it all day, every day... which is probably the number one thing that causes fights in my house.... but there's one slight problem........ im a girl


Gli renderò un'offerta che non può rifiutare.

Don't ever take sides against the Family again.
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196030
01/11/03 06:14 PM
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I would think about joining if i lived in the US and had a drop of italian blood in me i suppose! I dont think i'd have too many qualms about killing someone to make my bones, its business, not personal after all. I reckon its getting to the stage now where you either have to have been close friends with connected guys since childhood, or be an outstanding earner to get made nowadays. Plus theres all the dangers of being ratted out at this day in age as well! I suppose ive got some hope as i found out this week that my great great uncle was involved in one of the glasgow gangs in the 1930s, how cool!


"We're showin' the flag"

"The flag of fuckin' Antarctica"
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196031
01/14/03 02:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Take The Cannolies:
Yeah, a few years back i was considering a job offer from Enron

thats a givin, i would for sure, i belonged to a street gang when i was a kid but that wasnt much. when i came time that i needed the help they were not there for me so i dropped out, but something more tight nit ya i would be for it....


tuaca on the house
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196032
01/23/03 02:19 PM
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i always think about bein involved in a mafia with the excellent services i could provide.
the thing is that theres nothing like that round where i liv and if there is theyre keepin things very hush hush. i wud luv to know if there is though.

thanx
simo


-I am whatever you say i am-
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196033
01/23/03 06:29 PM
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Yes. I am in the mob. I've got oily hair and silk suits. I've got Gu**** charm, and an olive oil voice, pencil thin mustache and I never, ever break omerta. And I'm a Jew.


Foolish consistencies are the hobgoblins of little minds.
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196034
01/23/03 07:41 PM
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Yes, I will get into the Mafia, it's easy, just qoute a few Godfather lines and Badabing, you're made. Seriously though you've got to live the life, you wont get in just because you've seen and love all the mob movies.


So die all who betray Giuliano
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196035
01/24/03 09:53 AM
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the Mafia is not a game..but it's cool!!
i think i wouldn't be able to kill, but it doesn't matter, someone else will do it for me.
if you wanna get into a real Mafia.. just come here!!!


"fari vagnari u pizzu" ...Don Fanucci

"e la luna mezz'u mari mamma mia mammaretare...figghia dove via,mamma mia pensicci tu!"...Tarantella

SICILIA TERRA D'AMURI
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196036
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If ever got the chnace i would jump on it


"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"

"When they come, they'll come at what you love"

Someday soon, you're gonna have families of your own. And if you're lucky, you'll remember the little moments. Like this."-
Tony Soprano's toast during the candlelit dinner at Artie Bucco's resturant with his family during a power downing storm
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196037
01/24/03 05:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by SanAlfo:
If ever got the chnace i would jump on it
Have you seen Donnie Brasco?


Foolish consistencies are the hobgoblins of little minds.
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196038
01/25/03 08:32 PM
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Start ur own lol!
I would find that mega hard, u can never trust any1.


Using no way as way
Having no limitation as limitation

He who dares wins!

Lifes a game...it has no rules..play it how YOU want!!

The world is yours..
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196039
01/29/03 08:31 PM
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I'd say yes. I know three people who's dads are (or were) in the New Jersey Mafia. One of their dads was killed in his home about three or four years ago. One of my friends respects the Mafia but doesn't want to join, but the other is really eager to graduate and see what's going to happen to him. But I think his dad is just connected, so he's not really going to be a boss or anything important. One thing they have in common is they say their dad's absolutely never talk about it. One of them found out from their mom, and the other one's dad admitted it once but never said a word about it afterwards.
Beside that, I don't think I have any chance of joining the Mafia since I'm only half Italian, hell, less than that actually cause my mom (the Italian parent) is also like 25% Spanish. So I'm mostly Spanish, and from all the racism I see in movies (and on OZ, that HBO show) I dont think the Mafia likes Cubans that much. I swear if a hood calls me a "*s.p.i.c. " I'd break his neck. And don't leave me in charge of narcotics distribution either.

So I can only wish I was in the Mafia, because admit it, right after you've seen Goodfellas or the Godfather, it doesnt seem like a bad idea, does it? Just never let your flaws get the best of you (Sonny's rage and Fredo's weak mind got them wacked) and cover your tracks (Henry Hill from Goodfellas' coke problem got him arrested). Try and outsmart your enemies and don't underestimate them, know them, know how they'd think and act; and don't trust all your friends.
If I did that a life in the Mafia would be la cosa for me. Killing, threatening, stealing, kidnapping, making decisions, planning, I'm down for it all.


l'amante di violenza.

Cubano y Italiano.

My favorite band es the Beatles
My favorite musicain es Nas
I like a lot of music...
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196040
01/30/03 02:05 AM
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I think about joining the Mob when I start pining for an all-expenses-paid, government-sponsored, long-term sojourn in some charming place like Marion, IL, or Leavenworth, KS. That's what a Mob membership buys you these days.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196041
01/30/03 02:20 AM
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Only if my life was totally in shit and I had no hope of surviving only then I would join the mafia.

And whoever thinks that you have to be 101% Italian to be in the mafia is wrong... maybe if it was an Italian mafia then yes. There are all kinds of different mafias... Spanish, Cuban, Yugoslavian...


“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.”

— Ramsey Clark
former U.S. Attorney General
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196042
02/12/03 04:34 PM
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No. I would be horrible at it!


Hello Carlo. ~Clemenza
Look how they massacred my boy! ~Vito Corleone
I've frisked a thousand young punks ~Sgt. McKlusky
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196043
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I would, but not in American, too much Police/FBI enforcement, but somewhere nice and quiet, like Australia might convince me
Quote:
Surley if youre from Australia, you'd realise that Australia aint quite any more, not after the Moran and Thompson killings (17th death in a melbourne gang war for you out of towners, [Moran was gunned down in front of his kids while picking them up from a football clinic])


"What, you don't like women? Yoy pefer the company of men more?"-Tommy Vercetti-Ray Liotta
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196044
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I would, but not in American, too much Police/FBI enforcement, but somewhere nice and quiet, like Australia might convince me
Surley if youre from Australia, you'd realise that Australia aint quite any more, not after the Moran and Thompson killings (17th death in a melbourne gang war for you out of towners, [Moran was gunned down in front of his kids while picking them up from a football clinic])


"What, you don't like women? Yoy pefer the company of men more?"-Tommy Vercetti-Ray Liotta
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196045
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"I neva fucked anybody over in my life, who didn't have it comin' to 'im, you got that? All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?"-Tony Montana
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196046
08/16/03 01:10 AM
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cmon...some of you who are posting have no clue what the Mafia or Costa Nostra is about you just watch the Sopranos and think itd be cool to be like Tony...cmon...many of you wouldnt last a second in the Mafia lol its funny when I watch that show and see tony at the shrinks hahaha yeah if any mobster ever did that in the real world theyd be whacked in a sec for all they know you could be leaking info secret info to the shrink cmon dont let these movies and shows blind you i like them all but cmon its not all money and women and glamour and if thats what excites you bout it then dont even try cuz youll be dead in a second...and Gangs today are embarrasingly gay I mean street gangs no honor at all!! the only way Id join a mob family is if for the most part they were legit ya know... but times today are sickning..Im out


Keep your friends close but your enemies closer
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196047
08/16/03 01:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by xMafiaDon20085x:
cmon...some of you who are posting have no clue what the Mafia or Costa Nostra is about you just watch the Sopranos and think itd be cool to be like Tony...cmon...many of you wouldnt last a second in the Mafia lol its funny when I watch that show and see tony at the shrinks hahaha yeah if any mobster ever did that in the real world theyd be whacked in a sec for all they know you could be leaking info secret info to the shrink cmon dont let these movies and shows blind you i like them all but cmon its not all money and women and glamour and if thats what excites you bout it then dont even try cuz youll be dead in a second...and Gangs today are embarrasingly gay I mean street gangs no honor at all!! the only way Id join a mob family is if for the most part they were legit ya know... but times today are sickning..Im out
sure sucked the fun out of everyone's posts.


"I neva fucked anybody over in my life, who didn't have it comin' to 'im, you got that? All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?"-Tony Montana
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196048
08/16/03 02:28 AM
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yeah suck I will suck the fun out cuz it aint suppose to be fun ya know It isnt a joke! you think guys in the Crime Syndicate are in cuz its fun!? you got things twisted bub...again Im out


Keep your friends close but your enemies closer
Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196049
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"There must be, everywhere people have gangs and crime groups!"

There's also a Polish Mob that survived to this day.

"Of course pre-war crime in Cleveland had not been wholly from the Italian and Jewish
element. There were at least two major Polish-led gangs of robbers. One was the Flatheads led by Paul Jawarski.
On 13 September 1928 when Jawarski and Frank "whitey" Kraft were caught in a restaurant, "whitey"-Kraft ran out
the back but Jawarski holed up in Chambers Avenue. He was driven out by tear gas and was shot. It was not
thought he would survive, but he did so. He has already shot a prison guard escaping from Pittsburgh, and was
said to have killed up to 26 people including a former gang member who was also a drug addict. Jawarski, rather
than see him suffer, threw his body in the river. Returned to Pennsylvania where he was electrocuted on 2
January, Jawarski declined the services of the prison chaplain, saying:

'I preached atheim since the day I quit singing the choir. A man is yellow if he spends his life believing in
nothing and then comes crawling to the church because he is afraid his death is near.'

Shorty before his execution, Jawarski sent his friends a postcard with his future address - 45 Hellsfire Road,
6/14 miles from Hell. Father Pat O'Brien would not have used him as an example. Frank "Whitey" Kraft was later
killed by police in Detroit.

The other main Polish group, the Flats Mob, was led by Joseph Filkowski. In October 1930 he and two colleagues
were suprised by a patroling policeman when they held up the Dixie Shoe Company, and then relieved him of his
gun and uniform. This was not an action which endeared them to the police, but Filkowski's friend Joseph Stazek
was shot dead by detectives on 7 December 1930. A day earlier, Filkowski had escaped a police trap. Worse was
yet to come, for on 9 December Joseph Fortini, district circulation manager of the Plain Dealer, was shot by
Patrolman Patrick McNeely in mistake for Filkowski, so beginning a long-drawn-out and effectively unresolved
inquiry into use of police firearms. Filkowski was later caught and executed. Others in the gang received life
imprisonment. Filkowski, known as John Blake, has his death mask in the Cleveland Police History Museum."


From "Gangland International: The Mafia and other Mobs" by James Morton.

And a modern Polish mob (mostly immigrants) also in Baltimore, USA, still active in 2004...


And well-known Polish gangsters in Poland:

"Polish mafia chief accused of having corrupted former president's aide

Tuesday, 07-Oct-2003 2:43PM PDT

Story from AFP
Copyright 2003 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet)


WARSAW, Oct 7 (AFP) - The public prosecutor in Warsaw has charged a ringleader of one of Poland's biggest mafia-style groups with giving an unidentified aide of former president Lech Walesa a 150,000-dollar backhander to stay out of jail, a spokesman said on Tuesday.


The ringleader, Andrzej Zielinski, was pardonned in 1993 under a decision signed by Walesa, when he was on the run from a six-year prison sentence for armed robbery and theft.

A spokesman for the public prosecutor's office stressed that Walesa himself was not under suspicion of wrongdoing.

"The former president is out of suspicion. The witness accounts received have never implicated him, as a potential guilty party," the spokesman was quoted as saying by the PAP news agency.

The public prosecutor has not managed to identify the aide who gave Walesa the pardon to sign.

Poland, the biggest of 10 countries on course to join the European Union on May 1, came half way down a corruption index published by Transparency International on Tuesday, coming 64th out of 133."

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/ax/Qpoland-corruption.RgYq_DO7.html

And to let you know Walesa and Zielinski are Polish names not Italian.


And co-operation between Polish and Russian gangsters.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg109924.html

"February 13, 2000 No. 7 (590)

POZNAÑ TRIAL

Poland's New Anti-Gang Weapon

The trial of a band of suspected truck thieves will be the first in Poland to use a witness granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for testimony.

"At the moment, the only people who have anything to say about the key witness are Poznañ drivers forced to take long detours," jokes Andrzej Siemaszko, the director of the Institute of Jurisdiction.

Indeed, the scene around the Poznañ district court building looked like a siege in an American action movie. The building was protected by three explosive detectors. All surrounding streets were closed to traffic. Dozens of policemen, including snipers from anti-terrorist units, patrolled the streets and nearby rooftops. In this atmosphere, the witness immunity program was introduced to the Polish court system.

There is not much known about the witness himself. But he will be facing down his former accomplices in the gang of Jacek N. a.k.a. "Gruby" (Fat Man), whose specialty was robbing trucks. Thanks to this testimony against the defendants, the ex-gangster will avoid prosecution for his own crimes.

"From the legal point of view this is the most critical moment of the case," says Siemaszko. Without the witness immunity program, the fight against organized crime would be impossible, he says. "This has been proved by experience not only in America but also in Europe."

Work on the program started in 1993, as gangland crime in Poland became a top problem for police. Under its terms, a criminal who testifies against his or her accomplices in exchange for immunity becomes a key witness. The witness must give evidence not only during the investigation phase but also in court. If he or she breaks one of the strict conditions, the public prosecutor's office is entitled to retract the agreement.

The role of this special witness can only be offered to co-defendants in certain crimes committed by organized gangs or criminal groups. These include common or aggravated manslaughter, illegal production or trade of explosives or fissionable (nuclear) materials, weapons and narcotics, causing of disasters in land, air or water traffic, taking hostages for
money, armed robbery, and participation in a gang.

The leader of a gang or the actual perpetrator of a killing cannot become a key witness subject to immunity from prosecution. In the case of the gang of "Gruby," the witness began his cooperation by claiming that the robbery of a German truck transporting clothing from Odessa to Berlin was faked, and the driver was an accomplice. When one of the perpetrators was arrested, he in turn disclosed the location of the loot and implicated his accomplices in over a dozen other robberies.

"I am not sorry I'm not handling this case," said Judge Barbara Piwnik, who has frequently presided over proceedings against well-known Polish gangsters and believes it may take time to iron out the bugs in the program. "Adopting institutions from other legal cultures is always problematic." She notes problems have occurred in earlier cases where charges were based on anonymous testimony by witnesses whose identity was not even known to the defendants. One such case, concerning an arms robbery in a military unit, was returned to a Warsaw court after the Supreme Court ruled the rights of the accused were violated.

But both Piwnik and Siemaszko believe the program should be given a chance to work. "We are dealing with an experiment; the institution of crown's witness was introduced by lex specialis (special law) for three years," Piwnik says. "I hope that during this period we will have enough experience to allow the legislators decide either to recall the institution or to introduce it into the penal code." But she also noted time is running out: the experimental period began Sept. 1, 1998, and this month's case is the first to make use of the program.

On the other hand, police are gaining experience in handling such witnesses. "There are already over a dozen of gangsters under arrest thanks to testimony from key witnesses," says the spokesman of the National Police Headquarters, Pawe³ Biedziak. "We have also prevented other crimes, including paid assassinations. For zl.2.5 million we are `buying' something priceless: safety. And we are also protecting those people who could become victims of revenge by the gangsters."

Most of the program's funding goes to protect the key witnesses and their families. The police officers responsible for this were trained in the United States and Italy, where they learned procedures for transporting witnesses to court and other safety rules. The program also provides for new identities for witnesses to protect them from their former colleagues in crime, and even re-location to foreign countries. "At this point we have not yet entered what I call the social phase, including the purchase of homes or help in changing occupations or arranging trips abroad or plastic surgery," Biedziak says.

So far about a dozen criminals have accepted offers from the public prosecutor's office and are under police protection, with their families. Poland is negotiating with several countries that could provide refuge to criminals who join the witness immunity program on a reciprocal basis."

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Re: Ever think of joining the mafia, or another organized crime group? #196050
01/05/04 10:43 AM
01/05/04 10:43 AM
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I think ALL of us are intrigued by the power and money the gangsters acquire. But the dirty part of the lifestyle (murder,distrust,etc.)changes your fasination of that lifestyle very quickly.

I wouldn't want to be looking over my shoulder and wandering when I'm going to be the next guy shot in the head and dumped in the river the rest of my life. And worrying about the health and well being of my family.


"He who fights with monsters should look at it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."
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