I just wanted you all to know that.

Grazie,
Tony

Well, I think that more people won better credibility by providing evidence to your argument's contrary....

However, I would be interested in reading about evidence that supports your argument as well....

Until you do provide such evidence, I'm afraid we can't "know" that there is no Mafia, can we?

Wherever there is prejudice aganist Italians
Wherever there are men hungry for power
Wherever there is Italians in need of help

There is the MAFIA

Wrong, come over here and i'll show you.......

What was that Soprano what????!!!!!! iam very puzzeled. you say there is no Mafia they have credible evidence that there is a mafia. Bonnano even wrote a story on his life. What about the Gotti's who have come and gone. Do not tell me or anybody here there is no mafia.

Um, by admitting there is a Mafia, you are "fingering" them and setting yourself up for many problems.

Capiche?

What?? I dont get what you just said.

Soprano are you saying you are part of the mob. Just asking, just asking. And another thing im fingering them. Its not like its some secret. Bonanno wrote a stroy on the life. And Sammy the Bull testified against John Gotti. Thats like saying Michael Jordan plays football.

Not that Ive heard of.....

Can you please restate. I did not understand.

It means Ive never heard of him playing football.

Who does Soprano think he is? Oh yeah, an FBI agent is going to come to this message board and look for some wiseguys. Look at this guy, what an ego. "Capiche".

Francis The Kid Forducci sounds more like a Moe Green personality than anything else.

Does everyone remember what happened to Moe Green?

Francis The Kid is "small potatoes"...to quote Hyman Roth.

Look at this guy. He thinks he's a real mobster. What a fool! If you're a mobster like you say you are, why are you here at a message board when you've got better things to do. I'm small potatoes, . And you're big potatoes. What a goof this guy is. For the love of God is this guy serious.

Capiche?

My god. I just read sopranos message. I agree with Francis the kid Forducci if your in the mob why are you here. This site if for fun and it is a great site. We are not a real family. I think you are a little to into the Godfather.

Capiche ................ what's that?? I think you mean capice??

Don't act like a fool Mr. Soprano, if you realy think that there is no such kind of thing like Cosa Nostra, then come over to my place. I swear you that you will go home with the shit in your pants after a few weeks................capice



[ December 27, 2001: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

LOL. hes messing with u guys, like there is no mafia, gives a look and laughs, part of being in the mafia u have to with-hold the Omerta Joining the society is like joining a religion. It is a lifetime commitment, stronger than any ties to other religions, state or even family. You cannot retire from it. This society has survived through centuries, it is secret and only members know other members. No one would ever admit to being a member nor tell you who other members are. That would violate Omertá and be punishable by death. Capiche?

That qoute was perfectly said. You made complete sense.

Well we all now he dont read true crime books.
There is primary evidence on "La Cosa Nostra".
The FBI has got castelleno and gotti and a hole bunch of other mobsters on tape talking about "whacking" one another and al sorts of shit on the mafia.
Read Mafia Dynasty,Gotti and Boss Of Bosses.

Maybe he was kidding.

Do TRUE stories such as: Henry Hill, John Gotti, Paul Castellano, Paul Cicero, Lucky Luciano, Bonnano, Al Capone, mean NOTHING to you?

i guess he hasnt seen goodfellas or read about al capone. you shouldnt talk unless your absolutely sure t_soprano.

And I suppose Apalachin was a card party?

Apalachin was just a big ol' barbecue.

{Do TRUE stories such as: Henry Hill, John Gotti, Paul Castellano, Paul Cicero, Lucky Luciano, Bonnano, Al Capone, mean NOTHING to you?}


saying that there is no cosa nostra is just a verbal way of saying i'm not guilty,john gotti never admitted that there is a cosa nostra and that is why he will die in marion.as far as those
stories go remember who wrote them and that they
are either in jail or rats that cut deals,most of
their stories are fabricated to make them out to
be the caring and fun loving guys when actually they are stone gangsters,also henry hill is a dick fist for what he did to the luchese family
and i figure sammy will be dead in 18 mos,dont
always figure these so called book writers are honest,billy bonano was a hack living off his fathers name and gotti will die with his mouth shut never admitting a thing,paul vario{not cicero}died in jail as did james burke because of
hill and sammy killed at least 19 guys including
family members and was still allowed to walk,there is a mafia strong and alive and there
always will be as long as there are jobs to do in
{this thing of ours}.

[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: eddietheplumber ]

I couldn't have said it any better and why the fuck do you say things which you know nothing about? Your gonna get wacked you no good Metsafanuk!(sp)

Mobster star accused of leading crime operration
January 22, 2002 Posted: 9:28 AM EST (1428 GMT)
Daniel Provenzano: "If a guy owes me money and I want my money, that doesn't make me an extortionist

UPPER SADDLE RIVER, New Jersey (AP) -- Danny Provenzano said organized crime doesn't exist -- it's just something that people made up for the movies.

One of those movies happens to be "This Thing of Ours," which stars Provenzano as the nephew of a mob boss who runs a scheme to steal millions over the Internet. The movie, which he directed and co-wrote, debuts this week at a film festival in Sarasota, Florida.

There is another drama coming up for the nephew of reputed Genovese associate Anthony Provenzano: "The State of New Jersey vs. Daniel Provenzano."

Provenzano, 38, has been charged with racketeering and conspiracy to commit murder. Prosecutors say he used violence, including taking a hammer to someone's thumb, kidnapping and death threats to extort $1.5 million from businessmen dealing with a former printing firm he ran.

He faces up to 60 years in prison if convicted on all counts. The indictment called Provenzano the leader of an organized crime operation, but didn't associate him with a particular family.

Provenzano calls himself an artist who may like to pretend he is a criminal, but isn't the real thing.

"These things about me kidnapping people and extorting people and taking money from people," said Provenzano, sitting in the home office of his spacious Bergen County home, a copy of Elia Kazan's "On What Makes A Director" by his side. "It's not true. If a guy owes me money and I want my money, that doesn't make me an extortionist."

Provenzano has defenders in the show business world.

"I don't know him as a gangster. I know him as a filmmaker," said Vincent Pastore, who played Big Pussy on "The Sopranos" and co-stars in Provenzano's latest movie. "He's treated me really good and I like the guy."

Frank Vincent, another star of "This Thing of Ours" and dozens of films including "Goodfellas" and "Raging Bull," was among the celebrities who appeared in a courtroom last year to support Provenzano at a hearing.

"I really don't know much about the charges," said Vincent. He called Provenzano a loyal friend, an accomplished actor and director. "I think he's got a bright future in the movie business."

His great-uncle, Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano, was identified by New Jersey State Police as a soldier in the Genovese crime family. Police also called the former Teamsters leader a prime suspect in the 1975 disappearance of ex-Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. Hoffa was headed for a meeting with Provenzano when he disappeared and was presumed dead.

Anthony Provenzano died in prison in 1988 while serving time for racketeering.

Danny Provenzano said his accusers are people who owed thousands of dollars to his former company, Advice Inc., and made up the charges because of his family's links to organized crime.

"It made it very sexy," he said of the allegations. "I'm a legitimate businessman."

His attorney, Vincent Nuzzi, and prosecutor Robert Codey declined to comment on the trial, slated to begin sometime in the spring.

Provenzano said he's eager to put the charges behind him and get on with his film career. The Fort Lee native's first appearance in film was in 1989 as a gas station attendant in a movie called "Posed for Murder." Next came a bit part in "Kabuki Man" -- "schlock film, one of my embarrassments," he said.

He postponed his filmmaking dreams to go into the printing business for several years. In 1994, Provenzano financed and produced "Vampire Vixens from Venus," which aired on cable TV.

But Provenzano said he always wanted to make a mafia movie. "I guess it was just something inside of me," he said.

"This Thing of Ours" -- an approximate translation of La Cosa Nostra -- features James Caan in a cameo as a wheelchair-bound mob boss, Vincent as the leader of a New Jersey crime family and Provenzano as his nephew who persuades the family's elders to invest in the high-tech crime scheme.

Some scenes depict events referred to in the Provenzano indictment. In one sequence, Provenzano and Pastore's characters decide to collect on a debt for a printing service and one family member takes a hammer to someone's thumb.

"It's fiction, just like the indictment," said Provenzano, adding that no mob movie is based on real life. "Organized crime, from what I know, does not exist."

Not that he doesn't love the movies. Among his favorites are "Goodfellas," "The Godfather" and "Gotti."

That one is "closest to reality," he said. "Wherever they got their information, it was pretty good."

Copyright 2002 The Associated

what do you mean there is no mafia... are you out of your mind... i agree what everyone else in here says... you try to say you are in the mafia why are you in here?

What is crazy is,making fun of a thread that is a few months old..................