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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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01/02/04 10:19 AM
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Well... the guy's name is Maranzalla. Maranzano is another guy. Also, the book explains that Fanucci was a fraud, and didn't have any connections with Maranzalla. He just claimed he did and had hired goons (as opposed to real thugs who followed him out of loyalty) to help him extort money from the neightborhood.
So that's why Maranzalla never sent anyone to take over Fanucci's neighborhood, or seek vengeance against Vito for killing him.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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01/02/04 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by waynethegame: the book explains that Fanucci was a fraud, and didn't have any connections with Maranzalla. He just claimed he did and had hired goons (as opposed to real thugs who followed him out of loyalty) to help him extort money from the neightborhood.
So that's why Maranzalla never sent anyone to take over Fanucci's neighborhood, or seek vengeance against Vito for killing him. It was common, in immigrant neighborhoods. for local individuals and small gangs to adopt dreaded names of organizations from the Old Country, like "the Black Hand," "the Comorra," or "Der Bruderbund," to scare the locals into thinking they had big-time connections. Fanucci was one of the fakers. He may have paid off "Maranzalla" to work the neighborhood--or, more likely, simply invoked Maranzalla's name to reinforce his image as a bad guy. The fact that Vito just stepped right in proves that, even if Fanucci had a connection with Maranzalla, it didn't amount to much. And neither the book nor the movie says that Vito had to pay tribute to Maranzalla or anyone else.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/22/04 08:42 AM
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Was Vito aware that Fannucci was a faker?
The reason I ask is that if Fanucci had NOT been a fake, Vito's act of murder would would have been both ignorant and foolhardy, as he would have been avenged himself
That suggests that Vito was messing with forces he didn't know/understand, which goes against Vito's character. The vito we know would never commit an act if he did not have a good idea of what the reaction/outcome would be.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/22/04 09:07 AM
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According to the book, Vito knew.
There is a passage where, after Fanucci's throat is slashed by three neighborhood toughs, Fanucci has one killed, and then allows his vengeance to be "bought off" by the "paying of an indemnity" by the families of the other two.
Vito knew that no real gangster would ever do that.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/22/04 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Don Sicilia: As most of you know, that was a deleted scene included in the box set. I agree that it should have been taken out - the nuance plaw described is better explained in the book and doesn't translate well on the big screen. Don Sicilia, that is exactly why the deleted scene should NOT have been taken out. When Vito sees Fannuci get his throat slit by those two kids, Vito realizes that Fanuucci is not all that connected and powerful after all, and can be taken out. Yes I agree that the book does a much better job translating this to the veiwer, but at least if that scene was left in the original movie, it would have given some creedance as to why Vito realized that he could take Fanucci out of the picture. Don Cardi
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 05:32 AM
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Does the book Mention 'joe the Greek' any further? was it common for greek and italians immigrants to have friendships, in the old neighbourhoods?
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Greek Sicilian Mafia Don: Does the book Mention 'joe the Greek' any further? The book talks about "Joe the Greek" quite a bit. Puzo writes, in part: "Although Joseph Costapopoulopolous, known to his friends and associates as Joe "The Greek" was one of the Don's oldest friends, he was regarded within the family as a man of little account as the years went by. It was finally decided by the great Don himself that Joe the Greek would have more of a future in the restaurant business, where he could make use of the surplus olive oil produced by Genco Pura, and so the Don, in his infinite wisom, loaned the Greek the money to start his first restaurant in the suburbs of New York City. Vito Corleone, a man with great vision, saw that other families, like his, would seek to move outside of the city so that their children could attend better schools and mix with better companions. And he knew, too, that these families would need places to dine on those nights when the mother was to tired to prepare a meal for her family or the father wished to enjoy the simple pleasure of an inexpensive evening out. So Joe the Greek, in silent partnership with Don Corleone, opened his first restaurant on the south shore of New York's Long Island, not far from the home in Long Beach of the Don himself. Being a vain man, Joe the Greek wished to call his new establishment "Costapopoulopolous's Restaurant", but the Don, convinced that such a name could never fit on a sign, reasoned with Joe, finally convincing him instead to simply call it "Joe's Diner". The "diner", housed in a free-standing structure (a concept unheard of in this time and place), along one of Long Island's major autombile routes, immediately became a sensation. In addition to it's huge menu with prices that even the working man could afford, the diner had it's own parking lot, as the Don, realizing that the growth of automobile use in America would have a far reaching effect, said, simply, "People are going out to eat. They have to have a place to park their cars." And it was Joe the Greek who was responsible for an idea so beautiful in its simplicity that even today it is taken for granted: The serving of coffee in cardboard containers -- coffee "to go" -- that could be consumed while people drove to work in the morning in their automobiles, even though the cup holder had yet to be invented. But as time went on, and Joe the Greek, in partnership with Vito Corleone, began to open more and more diners in the growing suburbs of the city, he began to encounter difficulties. Joe the Greek was a greedy man, and often refused to pay the cooks, cashiers, and waiters and waitresses the weekly wages they had earned through their toil and sweat. This, of course, led to a vast turnover among these workers, with many insisting on being paid each day, at the completion of their work, to protect themselves should Joe try and not pay them what they had earned. The Don, upon learning of this problem, was furious, and demanded that his partner, Joe Costapopoulopolous, act in the manner in which he, Vito Corleone, would himself act. It was Vito Corleone himself, in fact, who coined a phrase that was to become as famous in its own way as the phrase Sonna costra nostra became more than thirty years later: Never work for a Greek by the week. Work by the day for more pay. "
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 09:21 AM
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Thanks plaw! I will have to continue reading now to find the greek-italian co-operation!
cheers
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 09:25 AM
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My pleasure. Cheers to you, too.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 09:26 AM
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Joseph Costapopoulopolous though? was that really his name? any other details on him?
thanks
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 09:33 AM
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That was his name. Why do you think they called him "Joe the Greek"?
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Greek Sicilian Mafia Don: Does the book Mention 'joe the Greek' any further? Originally posted by Greek Sicilian Mafia Don: I cant find the Joe the Greek reference You were the one who mentioned Joe the Greek. I figured you knew where it was.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 11:34 AM
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where is it in your version?
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: It's right before the chapters about the Don's relationships with Constantine the Argentine, Hugh the Jew, and Herc the Turk. Not funny mate, where is it?
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Greek Sicilian Mafia Don: Originally posted by Turnbull: [b] It's right before the chapters about the Don's relationships with Constantine the Argentine, Hugh the Jew, and Herc the Turk. Not funny mate, where is it? [/b]Don't be offended. Pay no attention to Turnbull. He's nothing but a jokester. No one here takes anything he says seriously, anyway. Don't listen to that Don Cardi guy, either. he's just a big old windbag. Keep posting. You're doing just fine.
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 12:47 PM
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Im not offended my friend I just cannot find the novel reference yet
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Re: Fanucci and Maranzano
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10/23/04 01:07 PM
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I'm quoting from the "1994 Limited Un-Abridged Un-Edited and Un-Published 25th Anniversary Special Edition."
Might be hard to find, though, as it's been out of print for more than ten years. Occasionally you see a copy become available on e-bay, but it's usually very expensive.
But it's worth looking for because it contains many passages that were left out of the regular version that you probably have.
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