I'm reading the Chin book ( good).
But can someone explain how FRITZY & his co- accused managed to beat the case. (3 or 4 trials). When the policewoman must of seen the shooters.
From the book,it sounds like she was right there in front of them.

Surprised Chin didn't sort the case, mob style. Must of been a close friendship.

I don't know much about this situation; but I know Fritzy; and Chin were very close.

Fritzy was one of the few that Chin would meet privately; or in public.

Fritzy would never intentionally shoot a cop. He and his friend honestly thought that they were being set upon to be heisted for their numbers receipts (there had been several robberies of their numbers collectors weeks earlier). It all happened so fast that Giovanelli just overreacted and shot the undercover thinking they was robbers. Crazy? Stupid?... definitely. I can't even see how all the shit went down.

But he ruined his life because of that split second reaction he had, not to mention shooting the one cop and killing the other. THATS not how Cosa Nostra operates. They are not typically "cowboys", especially someone such as Fritzy who would have (should have) known better....

Very fucked up episode for sure

Complete and utter bullshit as always, NYMafia.

.....Hahahaha, I see that mumbling, bumbling, stumbling Moe-Man is back on the scene with his incoherent ramblings and nasty remarks again. What happened? you're off your medications again Moe and they decided to let the Coo-Coo out of his cage for a few hours?

@NyMafia

I like you a lot homie and your informative but I don’t like seeing you spreading stuff about individuals “All the time””. Let others speak; and ask questions sometimes. I enjoy you’re articles but “Spread the wealth I should say””

Btw; Moe_Tinden is a good guy. He knows his stuff.

Yeah i have to agree w Zavatoni moe is a good guy and hes been a good poster here for a long long time... and NYM i do love your site and u have good info but when u start defending these guys as good people or in this case someone who was involved in killing a cop you lose credibility.. we can all be interested in the mafia and mob stories which i def am, but to consider Fritzy or any of these guys good people is delusional.

Not an attack by any means just thought id throw my 2 cents in

Guys, there's plenty of room for vigorous disagreement on this board, but please try to keep it civil.

Obviously there is much more to this than we know.More than one jury failed to agree on conviction.This during a time when the mafia was being battered and losing case after case in cities across the nation.More tellingly, Gigante would have killed these guys had he felt this was a slaughter of a cop.And that never happened.Cops don't always follow protocol.they ain't always right

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Hello Zavattoni and Mikeyballs211. I completely agree with you about having a "give and take" on the forum. If you notice a few weeks back I even asked for everyone to please step it up and lets interact more on the forum. It's good for us all. Don Peppino agreed with me and he's been putting out some great content lately. So as far as that goes you're absolutely correct. And I do agree.

As far as "defending" mob guys. I was NOT defending Fritzy at all. We know he killed an innocent cop named Venditti and badly wounded his female partner. I think he should be hung by his balls for that. Stupid! Completely unnecessary, and a waste of life for no reason. (both theirs AND his) because Fritzy forfeited his freedom from that. He got tortured by law enforcement for the rest of his days. And I don't blame them for busting his balls either..... BAD, BAD move he made! Period! There is NO excusing it.

All I'm saying is that I do not believe his intent was on killing a cop. Thats all..... I believe had he really known it was two cops he was shooting at he would NOT have shot them. He fucked up big time. I think he thought he was shooting a stick-up guy. Thats all!

PS: I also just happen to have 3 cousins who are in law enforcement (2 on the NYPD - one was a detective), and the other was ATF. So nobody has more empathy for police than I do. Don't mistake my take on wiseguys with any negative connotations with cops (unless they are scumbag dishonest cops who hang innocent people up on false charges, then I say fuck em). OK.
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Lastly... our friend "Moe".

If you look at the thread here that he first posted up earlier today, Moe got nasty immediately and called ALL my articles and info I provide to this forum as shit, and I quote him here as follows: MOE SAID "Complete and utter bullshit as always, NYMafia"
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Now fellas. I have a question for you ok? Did you see ME jump bad at him first? NO correct? Did you see me call him out and say anything bad to him initially? NO correct?

The comment that I posted up was about another subject matter altogether, and I wasn't referencing Moe at all. Am I right here? So how was I hurting Moe? The short answer is that I was minding my own business correct?

My response was only in defense after what he said about me. And it hasn't been the first time either. Moe has been very nasty to me and my partner in the past. For no good reason as far as I can see.

There is a way to disagree with another forum member without getting nasty. Am I right here? Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. ok?

In all the hundreds of posts NYMafia had ever posted, and all the bantering back and forth between myself and other posters such as you guys. Have I ever once gotten nasty with anyone? ..... I believe that answer would have to be a "No".

99.9% of all our interactions have been really nice IMO. Do you agree?

So why is Moe so nasty? Is it my fault that I chose to defend myself?

Please explain If I'm missing anything here ok

By the way, for the record, we haven't nothing against Moe. We don't even know the guy, so why would we not like him?

Ours is just a knee-jerk defensive motion to his verbal attack. just defending ourselves.

I agree. I think Chin must have been satisfied that Fritzy thought his life was endangered or something to have lashed out like that. And didn't realize they were police.

Because if Chin really thought Fritzy knew he was shooting at cops and didn't give a fuck, Chin would have hit Fritzy right in the head. Friend or no friend!

anything with le is bad buisness , no mafia member would ever hurt a undercover on purpose , its akin to career suicide, it goes against common sense, moe's fantasy of fritz machine gunning the cop while lsughing like a mad man is childish at best, and shows he might be mentally ill at worst, moe needs help.

I'm asking again: Disagree all you want, but keep it civil!

Thanks for the replies guys.

Also the Chin book keeps referring to FRITZY as a Genovese associate.
Would he not of been made by 1986?? He wasn't young then.

I wonder if his co-accused STEVE MALTESE & CARMINE GUALTIERI became anything in the mob.

I don't know the truth but I doubt very much that they thought a liitle meek girl was gonna rob them !!

From cop killer to internet celebrity - Profile of Genovese Mafia family capo Federico “Fritzy” Giovanelli https://gangstersinc.org/blog/from-cop-killer-to-internet-celebrity-profile-of-genovese-mafia-f

Your first mistake is believing a book by Larry McShane. The guy that broke the"Carmine Persico was a Rat" farce that has been clearly debunked. Do some research. Hopefully some of the forum members reply and set you straight. If they don't in the next couple days I'll weigh in

Gangster Inc nailed it. I agree with their take on it

many police officer and Vendetti's family blamed his partner for lying on the stand, and identifying the wrong people. The 2 men on trial with Giovenelli had multiple witnesses saying they were home. Burke originally never mentioned them as having been on the scene. Days later she said they were there. Eyewitnesses proved they were not. She also said Giovaneli saw her and ordered her to stand with her partner, thinking they were a hit team. I don't think he would have thought a woman was part of a hit team. This is a New York Times article published a few years after the trails.


https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/29/...tter-at-police-and-wounded-survivor.html