Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by alicecooper
Gravano represents a real problem with witsec and the feds in general.

Let gravano the mass murdering sociopath free to get Gotti who arguably never killed anyone (still scum but just sayin').

Maybe getting the other 30 guys makes it ok to some. It just seems like most of the time the worst of the worst get the deal and they put the pieces of shit back on street to be your neighbor or mine.


Gravano shot and killed one person..If you mean ordered then it was 19...Gotti at a minimum shot and killed Vito Borelli(Joseph Massino testified John gotti pulled the trigger in this hit) and who knows how many others he killed for Neil Dellacroce,Carl Gambino and Castellano......Gotti ordered probably 3 times what Gravano did
Gravano ratted cause gotti talked shit behind his back and cause gotti was the cause of him being indicted..The feds bugged Talis and in 3 thousand hours, the feds thought they would be able to lay obstruction of justice charges on gravano which probably would have gotten him a couple of years AND gravano didnt wanna do life in prison....Even though he didnt flip when he was under indictment for the murder of the dunn brothers and he could have rolled on Carmine Persico then....







I'm sure not gonna pretend to be an expert, but iirc most of the times arguments come up on here about those two it comes out as Sammy pulled the trigger 6-10 times (known) and gotti has zero concrete confirmations.



JOSEPH MASSINO THE BOSS OF THE BONNANO FAMILY...TESTIFIED AND CONFIRMED IN COURT, THAT JOHN GOTTI SHOT AND KILLED VITO BORELLI...THERES NO DEBATING JOE MASSINO..HE WAS EITHER THE BOSS OR ESSENTIALLY THE BOSS OF THE BONNANO FAMILY FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS..

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cr...-mobster-vinny-gorgeous-article-1.115099


Massino fingered John Gotti as the killer in a 1975 gangland hit of Vito Borelli never before attributed to the late Gambino boss. Borelli was whacked in a cookie warehouse because he said mob chieftain Paul Castellano resembled chicken king Frank Perdue.

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/04/tidbits-from-joseph-massinos-testimony.html

YOU THINK JOHN GOTTIS WAS NEIL DELLACROCES PROTEGE AND NEVER PULLED THE TRIGGER..I dont care what John Alite says...MASSINO WAS THERE W HIM AND WATCHED JOHN GOTTI SHOOT VITO BORELLI....and im almost certain there were other murders where he pulled the trigger as well

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2017/12/murder-of-vito-borelli-fall-1980.html


The old-time crime boss kept the jury rapt while he told of his ascension through the mob ranks — including his role in the infamous “Three Captains” hit — and of how he made Basciano a made man.

Massino said his own life of crime began at age 12, when “I robbed homing pigeons.”

In the late 1960s, Massino said, he was involved in “bookmaking, murders, breaking and entering.” By the early 1970s, he was approached by then-boss Philip “Rusty” Rastelli to work as an associate with the Bonannos.

Massino yesterday also named John Gotti as the triggerman in the 1975 hit of Vito Borelli, who’d made a crack about mob boss Paul Castellano’s resemblance to renowned chicken man Frank Perdue.

Massino was inducted into the Mafia in 1977, taking his now-shattered sacred oath to protect the secret society.

It was understood, he said, that “once a bullet leaves that gun, you never talk about it.”

The Bonanno family hit hard times in the early 1980s, when it split into two factions.

Massino helped end the infighting with the “Three Captains” murders.

Members of the rival faction — capos Dominick “Big Trin” Trinchera, Alphonse “Sonny Red” Indelicato and Philip “Philly Lucky” Giaccone — were lured to a Brooklyn social club in May 1981 on the pretext of a sitdown to resolve the their differences.

Once inside, they were ambushed and the scene devolved into chaos.

” ‘Philly Lucky’ ran past me,” Massino recalled. “He got shot and he went down.”

Then “Sonny Red” tried to bolt, but “I grabbed his ankles,” Massino said.

“Trini gets hit with a [blast from] a double-barreled shotgun.”



https://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/05/...fe.html?auth=login-email&login=email

Gravano revealed the number of times he himself pulled the trigger: one.






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Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/