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Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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I was wondering; Did Tony Ducks have anyone in his family in his 13-14 year run as boss; try to take the family away from him or form a opposition. I haven't heard anything.... He must have been feared where no one dared try to make a move on him. He's in rare territory..
We hear about Castellano not being liked by the blue collar faction of his family.... Gotti took over....; Etc...
Phil Rastelli; The 3 Capo murder; Carmine Galante acting as boss but wanted full control... Rusty had opposition...
Carmine Persico; Vic Orena tried to take the family away from Persico with the numbers on his side. See how that turnt out; etc (FBI; Greg Scarpa)
Vincent Gigante and Anthony Corallo are the only two bosses I know who were never opposed during their time as bosses
My question is; Was there any guys who plotted against Tony Ducks?? I read something about Andimo Pappadio being killed because he was trying to take over.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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I know Tony Ducks didn’t like Gotti even before he became boss I would think so; Think when Ducks was on trial; He ordered Amuso and Casso to get rid of Gotti. @JCrusher Was there anyone in the Lucchese family who tried to plot against Corallo? I've never heard anyone try to take over the family while he was boss.
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Never heard of him having rivals, just jealousy when he was bumped up to Capo. Never heard him having rivals either. That's very rare... He ruled 13-14 years without a plot on his leadership. Why was there jealousy when he became a captain?? Wasn't he and Tom Lucchese close? @Giacomo_Vacari Don't think Gigante ever fronted for anyone; I did read he was Consigliere but I'm skeptical about that. Fat Tony Salerno. Frank Tieri; Thomas Eboli; Catena; Lombardo; Miranda. I never know any of their positions. It's confusing.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Regarding Gigante, has it ever been posited that he was acting as a front for Benny Lombardo, Frank Tieri, or someone else? I could've sworn I read that somewhere before.
The Genovese leadership has been and is so deliberately labyrinthine, it can be hard to know what's what regarding who is the real power.
A lot of people thought Tony Salerno was the main answerable guy in that family until Gigante's power became known. I've never read that Gigante was fronting for Lombardo or Tieri, but I'm sure Angelo Lonardo said he was consigliere at some point. Fratianno also says Gigante was there at a meeting with the leadership of the Genovese family. However, Cafaro never mentions him in an admin position prior to becoming boss.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Dio was in prison so nothing he could say, and Tom Mix was Tony Ducks underboss so that appeased the Bronx and Jersey members. Louiebynochi, Tony Pappadio was jealous when Tony Ducks became Capo, but got over it when he was promoted Capo not long after. Pappadio murder I chalk up to Carmine Galante like John Ormento settling old scores. Never heard of any Pappadio plotting to take on the leadership, just buck ever once in awhile when a ruling was against him and the soldier he was representing, or an order that would jeopardize lots of money. Carmine Tramunti picked him to skipper his old crew, so why keep him around after Lucchese was dead if he was a rival. Tony Ducks rivals were Johnny Dio who was locked up, Nick Martello who disappeared in the late 1950s, and Ben Indiviglio who was killed in the mid 60s.
Angelo Lonardo said Vincent Gigante was Consigliere after 1977 when Carmine Zeccardi disappeared. Jimmy Fratianno said Vincent Gigante was at a meeting with Tony Salerno, Frank Tieri, and Carmine Zeccardi, when they were asking Jimmy to hit a guy on the west coast for them. He did not know why The Chin was there but all four members said hit and the only time Gigante spoke, he knew Frank Tieri as the Boss, Tony Salerno as Underboss, and Carmine Zeccardi as Consigliere. He knew Gigante was a Capo, but for a high level meeting it baffled Fratianno. More than likely he was serving as a messenger for Phil.
Carfaro was with Tony Salerno so he did not have much interactions with Greenwich Village and New Jersey. The Genovese family was cautious. Gigante really limited the places he frequented. Fat Tony had nothing ill to say about The Chin, only Tieri and Zeccardi. You would think Carfaro would know the administration, but like most of the family, you know who the boss is and his number 2 man.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Regarding Gigante, has it ever been posited that he was acting as a front for Benny Lombardo, Frank Tieri, or someone else? I could've sworn I read that somewhere before.
The Genovese leadership has been and is so deliberately labyrinthine, it can be hard to know what's what regarding who is the real power.
A lot of people thought Tony Salerno was the main answerable guy in that family until Gigante's power became known. I’m with you on this one Moe. I feel Salerno truly wasn’t a front for anyone. His power was equal to Chin’s and Salerno probably had double Chin’s money. I don’t think it gets talked about enough how Chin’s guys would whisper privately about his act. It was embarrassing for a lot of them.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Regarding Gigante, has it ever been posited that he was acting as a front for Benny Lombardo, Frank Tieri, or someone else? I could've sworn I read that somewhere before.
The Genovese leadership has been and is so deliberately labyrinthine, it can be hard to know what's what regarding who is the real power.
A lot of people thought Tony Salerno was the main answerable guy in that family until Gigante's power became known. I’m with you on this one Moe. I feel Salerno truly wasn’t a front for anyone. His power was equal to Chin’s and Salerno probably had double Chin’s money. I don’t think it gets talked about enough how Chin’s guys would whisper privately about his act. It was embarrassing for a lot of them. In Vincent Cafaro's affidavit given to the senate hearing on organized crime, he says that after Salerno had a stroke in 1981, Lombardo, Gigante, Manna and Santora "pulled down" Salerno. Then Lombardo retired and Gigante became the boss. Gigante then allowed Salerno to come back and "front as boss" so Gigante could stay in the background. I interpret that not as Gigante forcing Salerno to be the fall guy, rather Gigante letting Salerno play the big shot.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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@Jshov
I agree with you; Fat Tony had alot of power; he was not a figurehead figure. His power was equal or only 2nd to Gigante's. Any one have more insight into their relationship??? Fat Tony was way older then Chin; Think Chin deffered to Fat Tony sometimes?? It's certainly possible.
@MightyDR
It's been said; Others could go to Salerno; Gigante or Lombardo when it came to business. It was like a power-sharing arrangement; By the way; Who is Sammy Black? He was Gigante's Underboss but there's nothing on the guy.
@Pmac
Corallo definitely had a smooth run as boss until the commission trial. No wars; no one trying to take his position.... I believe he was better then Castellano as boss and maybe only second to Gigante/Salerno.
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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@Jshov
I agree with you; Fat Tony had alot of power; he was not a figurehead figure. His power was equal or only 2nd to Gigante's. Any one have more insight into their relationship??? Fat Tony was way older then Chin; Think Chin deffered to Fat Tony sometimes?? It's certainly possible.
@MightyDR
It's been said; Others could go to Salerno; Gigante or Lombardo when it came to business. It was like a power-sharing arrangement; By the way; Who is Sammy Black? He was Gigante's Underboss but there's nothing on the guy.
Salerno still had power and he still had his rackets. It's not like he was just a patsy, but Gigante was the boss after 1981. Cafaro's info and wiretaps from the time period make it pretty clear. Cafaro even said "Chin ain't going to make anybody tell him what to do with his brugad". The Gigante/Salerno relationship sounds like it was all business to me. I haven't found much about Sammy Black, just that he was a captain of the East Harlem crew before becoming underboss.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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Thanks for the info; There's not much said about Sammy Black. Real low-key... Wonder why he was chosen as Underboss?? Was he one of the more powerful captains in the family in 1981 when Gigante took over?? Phil Lombardo prolly had input also??
How was Corallo and Castellano's relationship? I know Corallo and Salerno were good buddies.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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How was Corallo and Castellano's relationship? I know Corallo and Salerno were good buddies.
My guess is that they went along since business was good for everybody at the time but Tony Ducks was heard bad-mouthing Castellano in the Sal Avellino car audiotapes.
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Re: Did Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo have any rivals?
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How was Corallo and Castellano's relationship? I know Corallo and Salerno were good buddies.
My guess is that they went along since business was good for everybody at the time but Tony Ducks was heard bad-mouthing Castellano in the Sal Avellino car audiotapes. He also was caught on tape bad mouthing Salerno after a commission meeting. "Fat Tony was being a jerk, he's always a jerk"
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