I think Gotti's weakness As a capable leader was that
He felt he had no weakness.
In his own mind he was always right
Gotti was never wrong about anything.
I noticed that Gotti did not take well to other made guys
That were more "educated" about the world.
Gotti was a dropout. He couldn't relate with more intelligent polished guys

Thank You for the Kind Words. I have always enjoyed your posts and knowledge too.

I respect everyones opinion but the Gambino’s rackets dwarfed philly. Im shocked you guys dont see that. In fact the gambino’s raked in more cash than the Genovese in the 1980’s. Its common knowledge that Gotti made millions. He did not “ blow it all on gambling” when he was boss. He owned tons of real estate and was a silent partner in many business’s. In the 1980’s , almost every building that went up in NYC was associated with the Gambino’s. Scarfo only controlled the bartenders and anothetr union in AC.
The Gambino’s also had some huge earners that obviously kick up to Gotti. Scarfo was much worse than Gotti as a boss.

Dude you aren’t listening. We are talking about individually. We all agree the Gambino were more profitable than Philly. But that wasn’t because of Gotti. Im talking strictly individually Scarfo was a better earner than Gotti. I mean he wax a top guy in Atlantic City. Gotti was never a major earner as a capo he just wasnt. Roy Demeo was never a capo but he was a bigger earner than Gotti too. And yes Gotti did piss away the crews profits gambling in the early 80s. Both Angelo and Gene Gotti admitted this on wiretap. I mean we are simply trying to give you the correct information

@Lenox

You're not listening; Yes; Gotti made more money as Boss then Scarfo did; but individually; Scarfo made more money when he was in A/C for Angelo Bruno. Gotti was not a good earner .. Gotti wasn't even a made guy (I believe/Correct me if I'm wrong) when Scarfo was in full swing in A/C.

I agree with you; Scarfo was a worse boss then Gotti...

@JCrusher

Thanks for the kind comments.

Agreed. Scarfo was made in 1954-55 and he got started in AC in the 60s. He was already doing pretty well before Gotti got made. Gotti didn’t get made until October 1977. Do I think Scarfo was a bad boss? Yes I do because he was a paranoid psychopath. However when I take everything into account I still think Gotti was one of the worst bosses of all time.

You kind of imply that Gotti was worse then Scarfo. They both fit into the category with Rastelli; Persico and Casso/Amuso.

Who do you think was worse; Rastelli or Persico? I always lean back and forth with no decision with those two. I think they are worse then Gotti though.

You really think Scarfo was making a lot of money before he was boss? Gotti’s crew were killing it with heroin. Scarfo wasnt making real money until he was boss. There is a reason why Dellacroce and carmine fatico loved john gotti, he was a big earner. We only hear about his gambling but he brought in a lot of money after moving to queens.

Yes; Scarfo was making a ton of money with the legalization of Casino Gambling around 1976 or so... Gotti wasn't even made then..... He was in jail. How could he be a better earner around that time period?

@JCrusher.

I got Scarfo's rank wrong; He was never a captain.... Just a soldier with a few associates. It's stunning that he went from a soldier to consigliere under Phil Testa. Skipped the capo rank.

Yes that’s true he went from soldier to consigliere. Part of it was his friendship to Phil Testa. Also New York told Testa To make Scarfo either underboss or consigliere. As for Lenox I give up lol. I mean we are both giving him facts that back up the fact that individually Scarfo was a better earner. Gotti was an ok earner at best. He was a hijacker. He didn’t really know much about any other rackets. He was a degenerate gambler so whatever money they earned he pissed a lot of it away. This is backed up by Angelo and Gene. What earned Gotti a reputation was that he was a tough guy and proven he could do a stretch in prison and keep his mouth shut. That’s mainly it

@JCrusher

Scarfo definitely had it lucky due his friendship to Phil Testa. But tbh; Philly is known to have soldiers bumped to admin positions. Look at Joey Merlino; John Stanfa; Joe Ligambi; Micheal Ciangalini. None of these guys were captains... But some how someway they got bumped to Boss/Front Boss/Acting Boss...

And yup; Gene and Angelo talked on wiretap about how shitty John Gotti was with gambling money away....

So Gotti gambled a lot, that doesnt mean he didnt earn. Michael Jordan made millions playing basketball and lost millions gambling but he still earned a lot of money.

. Again you aren’t listening. We aren’t saying he didn’t earn. We are saying he wasn’t a top earner which is a FACT. Guys like Demeo, Gravano, and others in his own family were bigger earners than him and it’s not close. Scarfo was too. We are trying to help you out Lenox 😂

By Gotti's own account, the "best I ever did was go on a few hijackings". That might be an understatement, but I don't think Gotti was known as a money maker. I'm sure he did bring in a lot of money, but was that due to his own business savvy or due to the fact that he was in charge of a big crew in lucrative territory?

However, you could say the same about Scarfo. Leonetti said they weren't making that much money in the early days prior to casinos coming to Atlantic City. And when they did, was that because Scarfo was an "earner" or because they were in the right place at the right time?

I agree but how much of that was down to Gravano betraying other guys and absorbing their rackets, though? He seemed to do stuff like that more than once to the point where it became somewhat of a recurring theme.

De Meo seemed to force his way into a top spot in that family, even when the hierarchy wanted nothing to do with him, because they simply could no longer afford to ignore how much money he was bringing in.

Gravano, undoubtedly a good earner, but had a propensity for leeching off other guys work, accusing them of insubordination [ironic], and turning guys against them.

As admirable as it may be that Gravano is trying to get Locascio out of prison now, remember that he laughed off almost getting Locascio whacked by twisting things he said to Gotti during that interview on Diane Sawyer.

Those of you that think Scarfo was a bigger earner than Gotti should read Phil Leonettis book. Scarfo and Gotti both weren't huge earners. They were more of enforcers than anything. Scarfo made peanuts compared to others until Angelo Bruno died in 80, (Bruno wanted Natale over the union until Ralph was locked up)really didn't earn much more until he was Boss in 81 and implemented the Street Tax. Gotti was about the same, Bookmaking, Hijacking, Gambling. Maybe a little more in the early 80s with the Heroin money. They were both very similar and never were huge earners until they were bosses. Nicky in the March/April of 81, Gotti in late 85.not sure why the argument.

Crusher
You will never convince me that Gotti was’nt the biggest earner ever.. Im in love with the man...i think about him every minute of the fuckin day..
Lol.....

Gotti,Angelo Ruggerio and Frank guidice we’re partners in a bookmaking business that did 300-500k A WEEKEND in bets during the football season, he made thousands a week from numbers and gambling machines...he and his crew made millions in the drug business...Mark Reiter and Arnold Squitieri are the guys who supplied Nicky Barnes after Madonna went to prison and pistol Pete’s father for that matter
What scarfo made in a month during the late 70s gotti was making that by Friday as a skipper. There’s no comparison. Angelo Bruno was offering scarfo 1k a week to come w him..it’s like comparing Jessica Alba and Rosanne Barr

Well said !ouiebynochi. I agree with everything you just said.

I wish we had thumbs up or some type of approval mention for each posts since this one would sky rocket as a leading post.

Got a source? I'm not doubting you, I'm just interested in the source because I got Jnr down as promoting Lil Nick after Snr went away.

Nick Corozzo was promoted in 1991 along with DiMaria by John Gotti Sr in jail through messages to John Gotti Jr. So Bronx is right, while Neo is partially correct as Jr relayed the message to Corozzo and DiMaria.

What was Chin's relations with Joe Massino like in the 1990s? I know Big Joey despised Chin for backing Indelicato, Lucky Phil and Big Trin and almost triggering a 2nd Banana Split like the one they had in the 1960s.

Chin wasn’t around much in the 90s unless it was life and death..he was under surveillance constantly and under indictment in the windows case and was worried about having his bail revoked..that’s why Barney from the Bronx and Mikey Damino were running the family for him. And jimmy ida for that matter who was running all the things that the horse had before he went to jail in the 80s.. all the moves that Tony pro made in the 80s and that crew were all overseen by the horse and later on by Jimmy