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Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: AntSamuel] #991781
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I think it was in the late 1960s that they adopted a power-sharing arrangement. Fish Cafaro confirmed Benny Squint was the real boss after Vito Genovese died in 1969, but used puppet bosses like Tommy Ryan and Funzi to shield himself. It worked out for him, as he died a free man in 1987.

Not sure if this was the Genovese ruling administration in 1981:

Official Boss: Philip "Benny Squint" Lombardo
Street Boss: Vincent "Chin" Gigante
Front Boss: Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno
Underboss: Saverio "Sammy" Santora
Consigliere: Louis "Bobby" Manna

Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #991803
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Same way Jimmy is nickname for Vincenzo, Tommy for Gaetano, Johnny for Giovanni, Joe for Giuseppe. They just Americanized their names how they saw fit.

Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: MrJustsayNo] #991804
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Originally Posted by MrJustsayNo
Exactly !! In my eyes,and personal opinion, Gotti was a big Pussy !! He surrounded himself at all times with everyone and anyone,and made himself into this Gangster Celebrity Extraordinaire for the simple fact,He knew the Chin and others were gonna "PUSH HIS FUCKEN WIG BACK" for breaking sacred rules in whacking the boss with absolutely no authority to do so !! If Bobby Manna doesn't get caught plotting Gotti's death then guess what ! Gotti is laid out in the streets full of holes in a public display !!!! Gotti knew all this from the time he pulled off the hit and knew he was on his way to prison ! In my personal opinion , Gotti was scared to death !!!He was protected,Like a federally endangered species ! He did what he did so if and when they managed to kill this asshole it would be all over the news and media around the globe and there obviously would be a full scale attack on his perpetrators to no end !! Sort of like the pope being assassinated !!

Ask chin about the sacred rules of whacking a boss back in 57 when he tries to blow Frank Costello's head off. Okay for chin and not John? Explain.

Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: ColonelReb] #991805
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Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Same way Jimmy is nickname for Vincenzo, Tommy for Gaetano, Johnny for Giovanni, Joe for Giuseppe. They just Americanized their names how they saw fit.

I wonder though why isn't it Vincenzo = Vincent and Jimmy/James = Giacomo. Theoretically, Vincenzo and Jimmy are 2 names with completely different origins.


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Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: AntSamuel] #991827
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I never bought that unpaid drug debt thing with Tommy Ryan. First of all the amount is crazy. No way Carlo’s giving him 4 million or even 1 million. Not to mention, you don’t think Carlo could find suppliers if he wanted to. I think Tommy Ryan got got because he thought he was bigger than everybody else. He was a hothead. He was acting boss and thought he was the real boss, until Catena, the underboss at that time tore him a new asshole. Also, absolutely no way the Gambinos would hit the acting boss of the West Side with no repercussions, even if Tommy Ryan was an asshole. The West Side would have retaliated. Even if the Genovese okayed the hit, they certainly wouldn’t have let another family kill one of their own. That’s a big no no. Big Paul did that years later and no one could believe it. The only conclusion we can draw from the Tommy Ryan hit is that it was ordered by the Genovese, specifically the boss at the time Benny Squint, and carried out by the Genovese. I’m reminded of the Chin’s “we don’t break our captains. We kill them,” quite. They didn’t break Tommy Ryan down, they killed him.

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Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: Stubbs] #991849
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Originally Posted by Stubbs
From what I've read on the boards here, the Genovese have always been the most powerful family. Other posters will be able to explain in more details.

I doubt that Paul would or even couldve manipulated Chin. Gigante was extremely shrewed, but also seemed to like Castellano. He was really pissed off when Big Paul was killed and wanted Gotti and all of the conspirators whacked. I doubt anyone could dictate to the Genovese... they're way too powerful and smart.




It’s quite simple, Chin liked Paul because Paul kowtowed to his demands. It’s all about friends with benefits, Chin knew he could count on Paul and most importantly sway his decisions

Gotti on the otherhand, he couldn’t control. Like Scarfo said,’ I can see why our friend (Chin) doesn’t like him (Gotti), he’s sharp’

Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: guero] #991862
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Originally Posted by guero
I never bought that unpaid drug debt thing with Tommy Ryan. First of all the amount is crazy. No way Carlo’s giving him 4 million or even 1 million. Not to mention, you don’t think Carlo could find suppliers if he wanted to. I think Tommy Ryan got got because he thought he was bigger than everybody else. He was a hothead. He was acting boss and thought he was the real boss, until Catena, the underboss at that time tore him a new asshole. Also, absolutely no way the Gambinos would hit the acting boss of the West Side with no repercussions, even if Tommy Ryan was an asshole. The West Side would have retaliated. Even if the Genovese okayed the hit, they certainly wouldn’t have let another family kill one of their own. That’s a big no no. Big Paul did that years later and no one could believe it. The only conclusion we can draw from the Tommy Ryan hit is that it was ordered by the Genovese, specifically the boss at the time Benny Squint, and carried out by the Genovese. I’m reminded of the Chin’s “we don’t break our captains. We kill them,” quite. They didn’t break Tommy Ryan down, they killed him.


I agree; 4 million dollars in the 1970's is a ton of money to just put up in the ''air''. I believe this was plain and simple; A pure; flat-out whacking of a Front Boss by the internal leadership of the Genovese's. No-way the Gambino's would have had Eboli whacked without fatal repercussions. Catena; Eboli; and Miranda in the 1960s and early 70's had a mistrust of eachother. I think when Vito Genovese died; Eboli was rubbing people the wrong way; and got whacked because of it. Him; and Catena were definately feuding.

Another thing; Why would Eboli; A Boss; Go to another Boss to borrow $4 million dollars? Doesn't make sense; He could borrow within his own family.

One last thing; Thomas Eboli's brother Pasquale Eboli dissappeared; Do you think the Genovese's are going to sit-back and let two high-ranking guys in their family get whacked by the Gambino's. This was plain; and simple; ''Westside'' clean up.

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Re: Gambino's vs Genovese's 60s 70s & 80s [Re: Dwalin2011] #991876
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Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Same way Jimmy is nickname for Vincenzo, Tommy for Gaetano, Johnny for Giovanni, Joe for Giuseppe. They just Americanized their names how they saw fit.

I wonder though why isn't it Vincenzo = Vincent and Jimmy/James = Giacomo. Theoretically, Vincenzo and Jimmy are 2 names with completely different origins.

I have no clue how they came up with Americanized names. Although Giacomo=Jack is pretty close in linguistics.

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