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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Peter_Clemenza]
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08/09/07 05:40 PM
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In 1964 he made His son Salvatore "Bill" Bonnano Consigliere and that is what caused the Bannana war, before that im not so sure.
The Banana War Meanwhile a war had erupted in the Bonanno Family. DiGregorio forces and Bonanno loyalists, led by Salvatore Bonanno, erupted in war when Salvatore retaliated after his father's kidnapping. Eventually, DiGregorio promised a peace meeting on whatever territory Salvatore wanted. It was an ambush. DiGregorio's men opened fire with rifles and automatic weapons on Salvatore and his associates, who were armed only with pistols. The police estimated that over 500 shots were fired but remarkably, no one was hurt. The war lasted for over two years. The Commission originally thought they could win, but when Joseph Bonanno returned, their hopes were dashed. Joseph Bonanno sent out a message to his enemies saying that for every Bonanno loyalist killed, he would retaliate by hitting a caporegime from the other side. The Bonanno loyalists were starting to see victory when Bonanno suffered a heart attack. He decided that he and his son would retire to Tucson, leaving his broken family to Paul Sciacca, who had replaced DiGregorio.
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Don Cardi]
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08/10/07 03:53 PM
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Didn't Joe Bonanno also appoint Carmine Galente as his underboss along with his own son? Probably. But it's hard to confirm for the reasons you and I are familiar with, DC: I try to sift info on Mob stuff selectively. I got the Tartamella and Morales dates from Bonanno's autobio, "A Man of Honor" [sic]. No reason to think he'd lie about anything that circumstantial. But then he says that, in '64, when Tartamella became disabled, he told his senior people that he had no interest in appointing a new consigliere, and then to elect one. According to Bonanno, they chose Bill, unanimously. Yeah, right, sure, Joe--if you think I believe that, you probably think I believe in the Great Pumpkin and the Tooth Fairy! As for Galante: He is nowhere mentioned in Bonanno's book-- nowhere. In a TV interview Bonanno gave shortly before he died, he claimed that any drug dealing in his family was initiated by Galante, "without my knowledge." I guess he didn't know that Lilo was sitting next to him in that 1957 Sicilian meeting with Luciano.
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Turnbull]
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Bosses of the Bonanno crime family 1925–1930 — Nicola "Cola" Schiro 1930–1931 — Salvatore "Caesar" Maranzano (murdered September 10, 1931) 1931–1964 — Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonanno (crime family patriarch and longtime godfather, officially stepped down in December of 1964) 1963–1964 — John "Johnny Burns" Morales (acting boss) 1965–1968 — Gaspare "Gasparino" DiGregorio (retired) 1966–1968 — Paul Sciacca (acting boss) 1968–1970 — Paul Sciacca (jailed May 12, 1971) 1971–1973 — Natale "Joe Diamonds" Evola (died August 28, 1973) 1973–1975 — Phillip "Rusty" Rastelli (jailed in 1975) 1975–1979 — Carmine "Lilo" Galante (aka. "The Cigar") (defacto boss, Rastelli was the officially recognized boss, murdered July 12, 1979) 1979–1991 — Phillip "Rusty" Rastelli (paroled 1984, jailed 1986, sentenced to 12 years in 1987, released on July 21, 1991, died 3 days later in a Queens hospital) 1979–1984 — Salvatore "Sally Fruits" Ferrugia (acting boss) 1987–1992 — Anthony Spero (acting boss) 1991–2005 — Joseph "Big Joey" Massino (aka. "The Ear") (jailed January 9, 2003, defected October 2004) 2003–2004 — Anthony "Tony Green" Urso (acting boss) (jailed January 20, 2004) 2004–2005 — Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano (acting boss) (jailed November 19, 2004) 2005–present — Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano (defacto boss, recently convicted in July of 2007) 2005–2006 — Michael "Mikey Nose" Mancuso (acting boss) (jailed February 16, 2006) 2006–present — Salvatore "Sal the Iron Worker" Montagna (acting boss)
Last edited by chopper; 08/12/07 04:09 PM. Reason: spelling
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Peter_Clemenza]
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04/02/20 12:36 PM
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Frank Garofalo was the underboss until he left for Sicily in 1957. Carmine Galante, who was forced out of Canada, served as underboss of the Family, ith Johnny Morale serving as a direct underboss/street boss for Joe Bonanno until 1960. When Lilo goes to the can, Morale is made official underboss with John Tartamella as Consiglieri until 1964.
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"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: chopper]
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04/07/20 06:46 PM
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Bosses of the Bonanno crime family 1925�1930 � Nicola "Cola" Schiro 1930�1931 � Salvatore "Caesar" Maranzano (murdered September 10, 1931) 1931�1964 � Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonanno (crime family patriarch and longtime godfather, officially stepped down in December of 1964) 1963�1964 � John "Johnny Burns" Morales (acting boss) 1965�1968 � Gaspare "Gasparino" DiGregorio (retired) 1966�1968 � Paul Sciacca (acting boss) 1968�1970 � Paul Sciacca (jailed May 12, 1971) 1971�1973 � Natale "Joe Diamonds" Evola (died August 28, 1973) 1973�1975 � Phillip "Rusty" Rastelli (jailed in 1975) 1975�1979 � Carmine "Lilo" Galante (aka. "The Cigar") (defacto boss, Rastelli was the officially recognized boss, murdered July 12, 1979) 1979�1991 � Phillip "Rusty" Rastelli (paroled 1984, jailed 1986, sentenced to 12 years in 1987, released on July 21, 1991, died 3 days later in a Queens hospital) 1979�1984 � Salvatore "Sally Fruits" Ferrugia (acting boss) 1987�1992 � Anthony Spero (acting boss) 1991�2005 � Joseph "Big Joey" Massino (aka. "The Ear") (jailed January 9, 2003, defected October 2004) 2003�2004 � Anthony "Tony Green" Urso (acting boss) (jailed January 20, 2004) 2004�2005 � Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano (acting boss) (jailed November 19, 2004) 2005�present � Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano (defacto boss, recently convicted in July of 2007) 2005�2006 � Michael "Mikey Nose" Mancuso (acting boss) (jailed February 16, 2006) 2006�present � Salvatore "Sal the Iron Worker" Montagna (acting boss) Anyone know the circumstances of the short term change between Paul Sciacca and Joe diamond Evola?
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
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Bonnano never named Galante because Lilo was extremely loyal to him over the years. I don't buy that logic. Galante was dead before Bonanno wrote his book, so nothing he said could have hurt him. He also talked openly about several other individuals he was friends with who were deceased at that point (Maranzano, Mangano, Profaci, Magliocco...) and didn't shy away from describing the roles they held in the hierarchy of their families. With what we know about Garofalo and Morales holding the position, I don't believe Galante ever served as Bonanno's underboss. I think it's a similar situation to the misconception that Sonny Franzese was the underboss for Colombo in the 1960s when we know Colombo's underboss was actually Charlie Mineo at that time. (Or the idea that Bonanno was Maranzano's underboss when we know it was actually Angelo Caruso).
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Peter_Clemenza]
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04/07/20 08:27 PM
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The only time he mentioned Galante was when he was asked. And he started working on the book before Galante was dead.
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: chin_gigante]
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04/07/20 08:48 PM
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Bonnano never named Galante because Lilo was extremely loyal to him over the years. I don't buy that logic. Galante was dead before Bonanno wrote his book, so nothing he said could have hurt him. He also talked openly about several other individuals he was friends with who were deceased at that point (Maranzano, Mangano, Profaci, Magliocco...) and didn't shy away from describing the roles they held in the hierarchy of their families. With what we know about Garofalo and Morales holding the position, I don't believe Galante ever served as Bonanno's underboss. I think it's a similar situation to the misconception that Sonny Franzese was the underboss for Colombo in the 1960s when we know Colombo's underboss was actually Charlie Mineo at that time. (Or the idea that Bonanno was Maranzano's underboss when we know it was actually Angelo Caruso). I do believe Galante was the street underboss after Frank Garofalo went to Sicily in 1957 until his imprisonment in 1960. Morales was in a Tommy Bilotti kinda role at this time until getting bumped up around 1960.
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Peter_Clemenza]
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04/07/20 08:51 PM
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I think Bonanno didn't mention Galante simply because of the association with drugs but mainly because the Galante murder was still relatively recent then. I don't think he wanted to be associated with that in any way. For legal reason mainly, getting called to testify.
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"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Peter_Clemenza]
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04/07/20 10:06 PM
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Joe's older brother and advisor, Stefano, led a mafia clan in Castellammare del Golfo. I think you mean Joe Bonanno's uncle Stefano Bonanno. What is the actual source identifying Galante as Bonanno's underboss? A number of FBN informants. Carmine Galante became Joe Bonannos driver after 1943. By 1950 he was a Capo, by 1953 he was sent up to Montreal and brought members into the Bonanno crime family. 1956 he was acting underboss, 1957 he was official underboss. John Morale became official underboss in 1959. FBI got informants from other families in the late 1950s in New York and New Jersey, interesting none from the Bonanno crime family (made members anyway).
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
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04/07/20 10:19 PM
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Joe's older brother and advisor, Stefano, led a mafia clan in Castellammare del Golfo. I think you mean Joe Bonanno's uncle Stefano Bonanno. What is the actual source identifying Galante as Bonanno's underboss? A number of FBN informants. Carmine Galante became Joe Bonannos driver after 1943. By 1950 he was a Capo, by 1953 he was sent up to Montreal and brought members into the Bonanno crime family. 1956 he was acting underboss, 1957 he was official underboss. John Morale became official underboss in 1959. FBI got informants from other families in the late 1950s in New York and New Jersey, interesting none from the Bonanno crime family (made members anyway). Is they why the 1963 Valachi Charts for the Bonannos were so shabby compared to the others?
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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04/11/20 12:26 PM
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Why did Galante blow up Costello’s grave site, to send a message, of course, why else tho??
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Dob_Peppino]
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Joe's older brother and advisor, Stefano, led a mafia clan in Castellammare del Golfo. I think you mean Joe Bonanno's uncle Stefano Bonanno. What is the actual source identifying Galante as Bonanno's underboss? A number of FBN informants. Carmine Galante became Joe Bonannos driver after 1943. By 1950 he was a Capo, by 1953 he was sent up to Montreal and brought members into the Bonanno crime family. 1956 he was acting underboss, 1957 he was official underboss. John Morale became official underboss in 1959. FBI got informants from other families in the late 1950s in New York and New Jersey, interesting none from the Bonanno crime family (made members anyway). Is they why the 1963 Valachi Charts for the Bonannos were so shabby compared to the others? I think that has a lot to do with Valachi being a east harlem/Bronx guy and the Bonannos were Brooklyn based.
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Re: Joe Bonanno's underboss and consigliere in 1960
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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07/11/20 08:58 PM
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The short term leadership of both Paul Sciacca and Natale Evola, were that Sciacca was tired of being boss and his sentence was a way out. Evola was not in good shape but took the title anyway until he died in 1973.
Joe Bonanno was an only child. His father Salvatore had three brothers, Giuseppe and Stefano were killed and the finale brother Giovanni moved to Tunisia for protection.
They were all inaccurate, but yes the Bonanno and Gambino charts were worst then others. With Valachi given up information, he accurately drew up the Genovese and Lucchese charts from what he remembered before and while inside prison. The Feds also had wiretaps, and informants which helped fill in some of the blank, but they kept putting members in the wrong families do to them associating more often with them than with the actual families. Did Joe's uncles Stefano, Giuseppe and Giovanni have any children?
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