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Outsiders made in OC groups. #952822
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Sometimes outsiders was made in oc groups in which they should'nt be made, for example:

Joe "Pegleg" Morgan-Mexican mafia
John Willis - Triad
Brandon Queen- Scottish Camorra members (cited in Gomorrah book)
Tyler Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood (half jew)
Michael Thompson - Aryan Brotherhood (indian american ancestry)

Any other examples?

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Not absolute sure.

Juan Ramon "Raymond" Fernandez aka Joe Bravo - Rizzuto crime family.

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The Mexican Mafia had and probably still have lots of high ranking members that are either Anglo or only part Mexican.

Pegleg is the most famous example, but there also was Raymond Shryock, Michael Mulhern, Randy Therrien, etc... I think Topo Peters was only part Mexican as well.

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Gregory Wooley in the Rockers MC. An old puppet club of the Hells Angels of Montreal.

supposedly, the Hells from Quebec ask the american Hells Angels, if they could accept black members in their ranks. The American hells said no, probably because of Prison politics in California.

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https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...-boulanger-exigeait-10-millions--a-la-sq

No "patches" of Hells for a street gang

Under their rules, the Quebec Hells Angels refused to set a global precedent when several black members of the Montreal street gang Syndicate unsuccessfully asked to join the biker gang.
This is what the informer Sylvain Boulanger reported to the investigators of the Sûreté du Québec in statements made in 2007 and of which Le Journal obtained a copy.
In 2004, Hells Angel Normand "Casper" Ouimet reportedly stated during a "meeting" at the Hells bunker of the Sherbrooke chapter that the Syndicate "wanted to have patches of members in good standing of the motorcycle club.
"He had decided they could not have patches," said Boulanger, who was then a member of the club's winged winged club in Sherbrooke.
Ouimet controlled part of the drug trade in Montreal and was "in charge" of the Syndicate, according to Boulanger. This statement was corroborated by the Montreal police during the Axis anti-drug operation in 2009.
"Pick up street gangs"
The Hells Angels rules stipulate that no Black can become a member in good standing of the club.
In 1998, Montreal gang leader Gregory Woolley became the first official Black in the Hells when their former leader, Maurice "Mom" Boucher, promoted him to the Rockers, the deceased club-school. Nomads elite chapter, in full war against Rock Machine.
Under Boucher's recommendation, Woolley then founded the Syndicate, a gang of "blue" allegiance.
"Mom picked up Gregory in the hope that he would bring the other street gangs (to work) with the Rockers, who were the pushers of the Nomads," Boulanger reported.
When asked about the chances of seeing a black member of the Hells, Boulanger replied: "I do not think so".
He explained that such a decision should be taken at an international meeting ("World meeting") of the Hells and that "the Americans do not want" because there is "a lot of racism in the United States."
Gregory Woolley was nevertheless considered to be one of the main leaders of organized crime when he was arrested last November for gangsterism and conspiracy to murder.

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Wow. Anyone know if the yakuza in US ever accepted a white man?

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Raynald Desjardins (born 1952) is a convicted drug trafficker and former associate of both the Rizzuto crime family and the Hells Angels. He was often described as the most influential non-Italian in the Montreal Mafia.

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This White Dude Was a Boss in the Chinese Mafia
John "White Devil" Willis rose to the highest echelons of Boston's Chinese mafia. In 2011, he was arrested for a multi-million oxycodone ring. We talked to the author of an upcoming book on Willis about the criminal's life and crimes.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vic...come-a-mob-boss-in-the-chinese-mafia-111

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Anyone think that is true?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-xpm-2013-01-07-bs-md-roark-dmi-sentencing-20130107-story,amp.html

Roark, who is white, developed Dead Man Inc. by merging three other gangs within the Maryland prison system in the late 1990s, after he was rejected by the African-American Black Guerrilla Family gang, investigators have said

DMI began as a sort of white contractor for the Black Guerrilla Family, carrying out killings and assaults in exchange for drugs, and grew into its own criminal brotherhood, looking out for its members' safety and addictions, prosecutors said.

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That stuff about the HA under the 95 Nomads seems to be true about no colours in HA. HA needs the AB when/if they go to jail, California is huge for HA and the Brand.

Did the Canadian HA get the World HA vote to change the rules. Did they consider the AB and the reality of prison and the rules. The information about the street dictating to the yard, got laughed at over here in America.


In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
That stuff about the HA under the 95 Nomads seems to be true about no colours in HA. HA needs the AB when/if they go to jail, California is huge for HA and the Brand.

Did the Canadian HA get the World HA vote to change the rules. Did they consider the AB and the reality of prison and the rules. The information about the street dictating to the yard, got laughed at over here in America.


Anyway the HA arent a street gang so that isnt strange that soon or later they will allow blacks(and other ethnicies) to join the club.

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HA isn’t a street gang, your correct my apologies. I miss read the OP. The Brands partnership with HA in California is legendary.

Tom Silverman infamous AB member sounds like he is of Jewish decent similar to Bingman in AB.


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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Sometimes outsiders was made in oc groups in which they should'nt be made, for example:

Joe "Pegleg" Morgan-Mexican mafia
John Willis - Triad
Brandon Queen- Scottish Camorra members (cited in Gomorrah book)
Tyler Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood (half jew)
Michael Thompson - Aryan Brotherhood (indian american ancestry)

Any other examples?


Perhaps it's an old thread but at least memory serve me correct, this already been discussed.

Latin Kings & all other or at least the majority have open their membership to any ethnicity dating back to the 70s. (Some prior to that).

DMI a quasi off shoot of BGF.


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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Sometimes outsiders was made in oc groups in which they should'nt be made, for example:

Joe "Pegleg" Morgan-Mexican mafia
John Willis - Triad
Brandon Queen- Scottish Camorra members (cited in Gomorrah book)
Tyler Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood (half jew)
Michael Thompson - Aryan Brotherhood (indian american ancestry)

Any other examples?


Perhaps it's an old thread but at least memory serve me correct, this already been discussed.

Latin Kings & all other or at least the majority have open their membership to any ethnicity dating back to the 70s. (Some prior to that).

DMI a quasi off shoot of BGF.


Yes,is an old post. But the point is how outsiders was made in other ethnicies oc?
Willis in the chinese mafia is a good example and is true? Roark created a prison gang only because the blacks refused him? lol

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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
HA isn’t a street gang, your correct my apologies. I miss read the OP. The Brands partnership with HA in California is legendary.

Tom Silverman infamous AB member sounds like he is of Jewish decent similar to Bingman in AB.



Tom Silverstein was born as Thomas Conway. Silverstein was the surname of his stepfather or something. He was actually of Irish/Scotch-Irish descent - like most AB members seem to be.

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Cool, is that why the AB uses the Shamrock as one of there symbols?


In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Cool, is that why the AB uses the Shamrock as one of there symbols?


The AB was founded by irish americans inmates in the 1960s for fight against the black gangs.

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Correct, I heard about members with Jewish blood, any Italians or are they not considered white.

I believe even the Nazi Party had high ranking members that were Jewish as well, Alfred Rosenberg.

The Irish American helps explain the HA in California partnership with the Brand, cool stuff, thanks.

I have heard that inside white is considered Caucasian, Jewish and Italian. That the term Dax is used to describe it

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Sometimes outsiders was made in oc groups in which they should'nt be made, for example:

Joe "Pegleg" Morgan-Mexican mafia
John Willis - Triad
Brandon Queen- Scottish Camorra members (cited in Gomorrah book)
Tyler Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood (half jew)
Michael Thompson - Aryan Brotherhood (indian american ancestry)

Any other examples?


Perhaps it's an old thread but at least memory serve me correct, this already been discussed.

Latin Kings & all other or at least the majority have open their membership to any ethnicity dating back to the 70s. (Some prior to that).

DMI a quasi off shoot of BGF.


Yes,is an old post. But the point is how outsiders was made in other ethnicies oc?
Willis in the chinese mafia is a good example and is true? Roark created a prison gang only because the blacks refused him? lol


Simple. Because not every crime group have an ethnic initiation . White dude in Chinese crime group isn't "phenomenon " when he had history with them from a neighborhood or other social setting. No different from having a chinese Black P Stone, a cambodian Vice Lord ( met one in person).

DMI founder was turned down due to ethnic initiation. BGF is exclusive Black.


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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Correct, I heard about members with Jewish blood, any Italians or are they not considered white.

I believe even the Nazi Party had high ranking members that were Jewish as well, Alfred Rosenberg.

The Irish American helps explain the HA in California partnership with the Brand, cool stuff, thanks.

I have heard that inside white is considered Caucasian, Jewish and Italian. That the term Dax is used to describe it


A nazi Minister Leonardo Conti was swiss but with italian heritage and some researchrers think that Hitler's grandmother, who was a waitress, had become pregnant of a son of a wealthy Jew where she worked, so Hitler would be a one quarter Jew.

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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Sometimes outsiders was made in oc groups in which they should'nt be made, for example:

Joe "Pegleg" Morgan-Mexican mafia
John Willis - Triad
Brandon Queen- Scottish Camorra members (cited in Gomorrah book)
Tyler Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood (half jew)
Michael Thompson - Aryan Brotherhood (indian american ancestry)

Any other examples?


Perhaps it's an old thread but at least memory serve me correct, this already been discussed.

Latin Kings & all other or at least the majority have open their membership to any ethnicity dating back to the 70s. (Some prior to that).

DMI a quasi off shoot of BGF.


Yes,is an old post. But the point is how outsiders was made in other ethnicies oc?
Willis in the chinese mafia is a good example and is true? Roark created a prison gang only because the blacks refused him? lol


Simple. Because not every crime group have an ethnic initiation . White dude in Chinese crime group isn't "phenomenon " when he had history with them from a neighborhood or other social setting. No different from having a chinese Black P Stone, a cambodian Vice Lord ( met one in person).

DMI founder was turned down due to ethnic initiation. BGF is exclusive Black.


Ethnic initiation? Damn they are chinese and spoke another language,Willis must learn cantonese. So why there there can be a chinese in Black P. Stones and not in BGF? Are both made by blacks.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples


Ethnic initiation? Damn they are chinese and spoke another language,Willis must learn cantonese. So why there there can be a chinese in Black P. Stones and not in BGF? Are both made by blacks.


2 complete different organizations. Stones a Chicago mob & BGF is a Cali prison mob. Different scenarios & structures.


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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Correct, I heard about members with Jewish blood, any Italians or are they not considered white.


Italians obviously are white, but it's true that I never really saw an Italian surname in an AB indictment - except for Joseph Principe, who was a prison guard corrupted by the AB.
The AB seems to be a "good ol' boy" thing for the most part with members being mostly from Irish/Scotch-Irish/Anglo background with a smaller amount of Dutch, German, French and Scandinavian in there. Unsurprising, because the AB strongholds in the Southwest and Texas are largely WASP and Irish county.

Outlaw motorcycle clubs on the other hand have plenty of members with an Italian background. Pagans in Pennsylvania and New Jersey are very heavily Italian American and the HA on the East Coast appear to be predominantly Italian American as well.

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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Correct, I heard about members with Jewish blood, any Italians or are they not considered white.


Italians obviously are white, but it's true that I never really saw an Italian surname in an AB indictment - except for Joseph Principe, who was a prison guard corrupted by the AB.
The AB seems to be a "good ol' boy" thing for the most part with members being mostly from Irish/Scotch-Irish/Anglo background with a smaller amount of Dutch, German, French and Scandinavian in there. Unsurprising, because the AB strongholds in the Southwest and Texas are largely WASP and Irish county.

Outlaw motorcycle clubs on the other hand have plenty of members with an Italian background. Pagans in Pennsylvania and New Jersey are very heavily Italian American and the HA on the East Coast appear to be predominantly Italian American as well.



Richard Joseph Scutari was a member of the Order a racist gruop creste in 1983.I think that the italians are white but not wasp because we're all almost completly catholic. And that the italians in the prison prefer pay for the protection that joint the AB.

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I agree that Italians are white, I’ve heard of some racist stuff from old timers, stuff done to Southern Italians, specifically Sicilians for ‘not being White/Italian.

Also, have listened to various 1%er go off on Italians not being white, the women have moustaches, etc.

Ex-Outlaw MC National President of Canada, Mario ‘Mike the Wop’ Parente, hated his own name Mario, and preferred to be called ‘Mike the Wop’.

In prison, especially is where I would figure, there would be no doubt to whose white and who is not.

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New article today posted about Italian Latin King, mentioned above, seems to have blood mob ties?

https://www.gangsterismout.com/2020/04/latin-kings-michael-cecchetelli.html?m=1

Junior Gotti included and under investigation

https://aboutthemafia.com/gotti-junior-under-investigation-for-association-with-the-latin-kings

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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
I agree that Italians are white, I’ve heard of some racist stuff from old timers, stuff done to Southern Italians, specifically Sicilians for ‘not being White/Italian.

Also, have listened to various 1%er go off on Italians not being white, the women have moustaches, etc.

Ex-Outlaw MC National President of Canada, Mario ‘Mike the Wop’ Parente, hated his own name Mario, and preferred to be called ‘Mike the Wop’.

In prison, especially is where I would figure, there would be no doubt to whose white and who is not.


For an italian prefer to be called "the wop" is like a black that prefer to be called "the ni**er".

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