A new hit piece was published this morning that is worth a read. The writer seems pretty hell bent on disproving the entire plot of the new movie The Irishman in this article. He examines the possibility, or in his words, certainty, that Frank Sheeran lied about nearly all of his claims in "I Heard You Paint Houses." It's not so much of an attack on Scorsese and De Niro as it is against Charles Brandt and the late Sheeran.

Whether or not you agree – I don't – this one is worth checking out.

The Lies of The Irishman

So my question is this, are we looking for this movie to be another great mob flick, especially after the Gotti debacle, or do we want it to be historically accurate? These movies are always filled with fiction mixed with some factual events or events based on a similar situation.

Promise you i didnt write. Im looking forward to the movie it will be free or the wife pays her netflix account and thats about all the bills she pays. I did not write a hit piece... but the book is stiill good but a work of fiction

Ouch!, below the belt!.......There must be something she gets credit for that doesn’t necessarily involve a money transaction? Right?

Housewife IS, or at least use to be a good example of such.

I certainly THINK, that most of Frank Sheeran’s claims sound fake... I don’t KNOW. I wasn’t alive for or near the action to know.
However, Frank’s seemingly fake claims can also bring about the truth. It can bring out someone to step forward and either claim ownership or, provide actual believable evidence that proves Frank’s claims wrong.

If Frank’s stock goes up because of these stories, jealousy and anger can brew up among some people.

Someone knows or knew who committed the unsolved crimes. Time will tell if they honor Omertà or recognize it has become, every man for himself.

I’m looking forward to the movie for entertainment reasons, but, much like godfellas there will be artistic liberties with the truth. The book was full of exaggerations if not outright lies. Some truths I’m sure, but in any case it’s not like some gangster is going to sue him for taking credit for something he didn’t do. Just like the iceman lied over and over who’s gonna claim otherwise and admit to murder? I will say he’s a bad ass just for being in combat over 400 days. I don’t doubt he’s a real tough guy.

I don't know about the 25 murders he claimed, but I do think he pulled the trigger in a few hits.

Guy isn't even Irish! He's American of Swedish and Irish descent. He's like one of those wonderbread wops who had a grandfather come off the boat over a hundred years ago and thinks it makes him Italian.

Joe Rogan and Steve Schirripa had a good conversation about stuff like this on their podcast.

And look at them, despite his surname Rogan is actually more Italian than Schirripa. Rogan's 75% Italian and 25% Irish, Schirripa's half Italian and half Jewish.

When I clicked on the article I expected to factual basis for the hit piece.. But nothing. He doesn’t disprove one single thing. Is the book full of lies? Maybe. But it’s clear this website I’ve never heard of doesn’t have an editor.

I agree..

That term refers to someone’s culture, and not to his “ethnic purity”.

The cultural environment in which an individual is raised defines his personality more than DNA, unless one believes in racist theories.

Someone may be born in Italy, holding an Italian passport but if he was raised by Chinese parents in a monocultural, close-knit community (read: ghetto) in Prato or Milan he’d be less culturally Italian than a “non-genetically pure” wop raised in a majority-Italian area in Montreal, Staten Island or Melbourne.

Better example: Look at the many French-born-and-raised youths who are more culturally Maghrebi than French. An Acadian or a Québécois who never stepped foot on French soil is more in line with his ancestral culture than them.

Most “national identities” are transnational due to obvious historical (mass emigration, colonization) and social (poverty, segregation, self-segregation, radicalization) reasons thus more fluid and complex than many believe.

America, being one of the first Western nations to experience massive immigration has reached a stage that many European nations will experience later or are starting to experience today.

As for Frank Sheeran, supposedly that was his underworld nickname. I don’t know if he “felt” Irish at all. Whitey Bulger was 50% Canadian-Québécois but being born in Southie in 1929 sure played a fundamental role in the creation of his persona.

Me too. The guy that wrote this article is a complete jerkoff.

I tend to believe Sheeran's account of Hoffa's disappearance. Hoffa's family (hell, even Sheeran's daughter) thinks he did it. Hoffa was streetwise and cautious, he wouldn't have gotten into a car with just anyone. As for the Joey Gallo hit, that's less plausible, but it's not impossible.

Why would Sheeran claim the Gallo hit if he had nothing to do with it. Gallo disrespected Bufalino and it happened in a Genovese place.

Don't forget in those years Bufalino was appointed as an "interim boss" of the Genovese crime family by the Commission at a time when that crime family was experiencing internal difficulties.

I forgot where i read that buffalino was sometype of interim boss that is bullshit.. its in a fbi file somewhere. There is zero percent chance it ever happened. Was he called into mediate disputes in there family probaly yes. But benny squint took over as boss after genovese died. You had heavy weights like benny squint,catena, and eboli. Never mind fat tony and funzi tieri. I think after benny squint has eboli killed, catena retires and funzi gets upped to underboss. They might have used buffalino to smooth out feathers in the family. No way a boss from a tiny family is put incharge of the biggest family in the usa

With all due respect it makes no sense that the Genovese would let anyone pick a boss for their family. They wewre arguably still the most powerful family in the country in the late 60's early 70's, easily still in the top 3, and had a ton of guys who were powers in their own right who could run the family (Lombardo, Tieri, Salerno, Catena, etc.). They didn't need an interim boss, and I doubt that they would let either rival families (Gambino) or lesser out of town families (Philly, Detroit) have a say in deciding who would run their family. The line of sucession is fairly straight forward: Genovese dies in 1969, Catena takes over,, he goes to jail in 1970 and sometime while he is in jail Lombardo/Tieri start running the family, in 1981 Fat Tony is briefly the boss before his stroke, then the Chin takes over. When would Bufalino have run the family? Sorry, that doesn't hold water, the Genovese wouldn't let someone from coal country come in and run the family.

As for the Gallo hit, do you really think that that the bosses in NY said "He insulted Bufalino? That's the final straw, we can't let that stand!" After all that he had done, insulting an ouf ot town boss was what finally got him clipped? If you really believe that I don't know what to tell you, I might have some swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

You're probably right pmac McGee was more like an adviser to them. Luparelli revealed who the perpetrators of the Gallo murder were, but his testimony was not considered credible by the FBI.

buffalino was a very important guy. he had his own family for along ass time, and he was very successful. him being so hands on made it easy for the fbi to put his ass away because he wasnt insulated like the big families. i forgot what he got a federal bid for in the 80tys but it was pretty dumb. i read that old mary fer fbi file where a informant says (70tys) buffalino is acting boss of the genovese family but i think it was just poorly written report and the info probaly came from someone way down on the food chain. i think he was called into a genovese sitdown as like a outside mediator they could trust. theres a picture of him and bobby manna walking together around 1980 on the pic thread

From reading the book the author didn’t just take Sheerhan’s word on everything, he took quite a few steps to try and verify things. Such as the Gallo hit.

I’m not saying everything is 100 percent true but I tend to believe Sheerhans side. Certainly more than this putz.

For me Sheeran help to ambush and get rid of Hoffa body but nothing more.

The publisher of I Heard You Paint Houses wrote an extremely thorough rebuttal to this article. The publisher disputes all of the journalist's claims in this hit piece. Honestly, the publisher did a very good job of tearing apart Slate's attempts to discredit Frank Sheeran and Charles Brandt. In fairness, the journalist also responded well to the book's publisher.

This is worth a read:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-book-publisher-reply-bill-tonelli.html?

I could have written that better. I totally believe he killed Hoffa. I do think it's possible he could have killed Gallo. It's just not as certain as the Hoffa hit. But it is entirely possible, Buffalino was a boss of a city not too far from NYC, so it's likely he went there often. And we know Gallo had no respect for bosses.

I also don't think Bufalino had the authority to clip Gallo, who was still a member of the Colombos, without first consulting the Colombo leadership. And normally such matters takes some time and are not arranged within one evening. And indeed, if Bufalino/Sheeran knew where to find Gallo, how come the Colombos themselves somehow weren't able to as they had all the reason in the world to get rid of him.

This movie is going to be filled with artistic license. Scorsese's former mob movies (Goodfellas and Casino) were largely factual.

Sheeran probably didn't know what the reason was behind the Gallo hit he didn't knew him, didn't he read about it later in the newspapers? The commission was fed up with Joey.

Did anyone else hear that the movie is suppose to be 3.5 hours long?

Yep Marty's longest film ever let's hope for a Goodfellas 2.0 he should have had the best film Oscar back then, maybe now.

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So Sheeran doesnt kill:
Joe Gallo
Jimmy Hoffa
Paul Castellano (as write in Brandt book)
There are proofs that he really killed or was involved in a killing?
Or he said to Brandt and Hoffa's parents what they wanted to to hear?