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Paul Castellano hit
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Anyone think Paul would have been hit if Roy DeMeo and Anthony Gaggi were still roaming the streets in 1985? Do you think John Gotti; Frank DeCicco and the opposition faction would have had the confidence to take them all out?
I honestly don't think so; but would like input!
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/03/19 01:21 PM
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The narrative that Gotti wouldn’t have killed big Paul because of two guys albeit one being a serial killer is none sense. Gotti was all in and for good reason it was kill or be killed. Not mention his giant fucking ego and all those stroking it for him.
It isnt nonsense. The hit would of never happened unless frank decicco and Sammy Gravano were onboard. Angelo basically said that when he was begging them for help leading up to it Now the shooters were apart of Johns crew and supposedly he came up with them wearing Russian hats which was smart BUT Frankie Decicco did a lot of the planning and talking to the higher ups like gallo and Joe Piney. Gottis role in the actual hit was a driver. Go back and read what I wrote. I said because of two guys I didn’t say Gotti planned it or acted alone. You don’t pull off a coup like that alone. It takes a team and people willing to risk life and limb. So again just to be clear of what I said the narrative that Gotti wouldn’t have done it BECAUSE OF TWO GUYS is none sense.
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/03/19 01:45 PM
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The narrative that Gotti wouldn’t have killed big Paul because of two guys albeit one being a serial killer is none sense. Gotti was all in and for good reason it was kill or be killed. Not mention his giant fucking ego and all those stroking it for him.
It isnt nonsense. The hit would of never happened unless frank decicco and Sammy Gravano were onboard. Angelo basically said that when he was begging them for help leading up to it Now the shooters were apart of Johns crew and supposedly he came up with them wearing Russian hats which was smart BUT Frankie Decicco did a lot of the planning and talking to the higher ups like gallo and Joe Piney. Gottis role in the actual hit was a driver. Go back and read what I wrote. I said because of two guys I didn’t say Gotti planned it or acted alone. You don’t pull off a coup like that alone. It takes a team and people willing to risk life and limb. So again just to be clear of what I said the narrative that Gotti wouldn’t have done it BECAUSE OF TWO GUYS is none sense. I read what you wrote. But impossible to say for sure either way. If Roy and his crew were around then John most likely wouldnt attempt it since it was well know he feard those guys. Hell in 1982 Gene was caught on wiretap basically saying the same thing
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/03/19 09:21 PM
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I would like to know what nino was thinking when he was in jail and paul got whacked? Also what was he like with gotti? Nino seems like someone who could’ve been in an admin position. Old school guy and still put in work as a capo chasing down old guys that punched him years ago. What about when him and Roy whacked the Eppolitos. That's a good question; Nino absolutely hated Gotti; That's a fact. Nino was out on the streets with Gotti for like 3 to 4 months into Gotti's reign before he got jailed. Gotti called Nino to several meetings; but Nino refused.. It's also been said that John didn't want to bump him down because he was a respected veteran in the family. Nino even had the balls to order one of his guys to contact Gotti about having a sitdown. Gotti got mad and said "You tell him; He bring his ass here to come see me" Nino def could have been in an admin position if Roy was still around. That incident with him shooting at a cop kind of hurt his standing with Paul.
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/03/19 09:45 PM
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I would like to know what nino was thinking when he was in jail and paul got whacked? Also what was he like with gotti? Nino seems like someone who could’ve been in an admin position. Old school guy and still put in work as a capo chasing down old guys that punched him years ago. What about when him and Roy whacked the Eppolitos. That's a good question; Nino absolutely hated Gotti; That's a fact. Nino was out on the streets with Gotti for like 3 to 4 months into Gotti's reign before he got jailed. Gotti called Nino to several meetings; but Nino refused.. It's also been said that John didn't want to bump him down because he was a respected veteran in the family. Nino even had the balls to order one of his guys to contact Gotti about having a sitdown. Gotti got mad and said "You tell him; He bring his ass here to come see me" Nino def could have been in an admin position if Roy was still around. That incident with him shooting at a cop kind of hurt his standing with Paul. nino was loyal to Paul so you are right about he feelings about Gotti. Unfortunately for nino his days were done anyway around the time Paul was killed.
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/03/19 10:04 PM
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@JCrusher.
Nino's relationship with Paul was definitely deteriorated; but do you think Paul would have had Nino clipped? I honestly dont think so. I think Paul would have just put him on the shelf. They were real tight before the cop shooting. Nino inspired to be underboss to Paul; but it never happened.
Anyone know what Tom Bilotti and Roy Demeo's relationship was like? Both were pitbull's pretty much...
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“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Paul Castellano hit
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05/04/19 11:47 AM
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@JCrusher
That's true. What do you mean around the time that Paul got killed; Nino's days were done? After DeMeo's death, Was he still a powerhouse or a declineing captain?
With Tom Bilotti and Roy's temperament; I'm pretty sure they didn't like eachother. Probaly only saw eachother when Roy dropped off tribute at Paul's mansion as you stated.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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