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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: JCrusher]
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12/10/18 01:46 PM
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Yes I believe so. I know the bergin crew was involved with the disposal of the bodies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_IndelicatoThe mobsters delivered the bodies to a vacant lot in Ozone Park, Queens, used by the Gambino family as a graveyard. Several Gambino mobsters then buried the bodies. The site was later called "Gangland graveyard". On May 24, 1981, 19 days after the murders, children playing in the lot were drawn by an odd smell to a section of dirt and garbage. Kicking the loosened soil, a boy discovered a hand. The boy told his parents who called police. New York police officer Andrew Cilienti arrived at the lot to find a body wrapped in a bedsheet. Technicians successfully retrieved fingerprints from the body and later identified the victim as Indelicato. Four days later, Alphonse's son-in-law, Salvatore Valenti, identified the body. New York City Police Department's cold case squad did not discover the remains of Giaccone and Trinchera until 2004. Wasn't a good job.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: pmac]
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12/10/18 08:20 PM
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no. massino and sonny black were feeling out the other bosses. big paul told them to be prepaired and carmine persico told them sonny red was plotting. somewhere chin was backing sonny red to take over because he was from gigantes backyard. but the ultimite call came from rustelli. the capos were just watching there own backs Pmac I don’t get what you are saying there ..... explain ? Thanks
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: pmac]
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12/24/18 03:58 PM
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sonny black and massino were uncomfotable with rustys plan. so massino went to big paul for advice, sonny black to persico. 3 capos have never been took out. it was actually to be 4. then persico tells sonny black threw emiserys. sonny reds stock piling guns. then big paul lends out his guys and a social club for the set up. @Pmac; Who was the 4th capo that was supposed to be taken out? Was it Frank Lino? He was with the 3 captains; but ran out the social club while the 3 capo's were being shot. Supposily he wasn't a target, but Massino pondered the idea of killing him in the aftermath due to several reasons. Lino even had a meeting with Neil Dellacroce to see if he was a target in the hit.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: Zavattoni]
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12/24/18 08:58 PM
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sonny black and massino were uncomfotable with rustys plan. so massino went to big paul for advice, sonny black to persico. 3 capos have never been took out. it was actually to be 4. then persico tells sonny black threw emiserys. sonny reds stock piling guns. then big paul lends out his guys and a social club for the set up. @Pmac; Who was the 4th capo that was supposed to be taken out? Was it Frank Lino? He was with the 3 captains; but ran out the social club while the 3 capo's were being shot. Supposily he wasn't a target, but Massino pondered the idea of killing him in the aftermath due to several reasons. Lino even had a meeting with Neil Dellacroce to see if he was a target in the hit. The sixth crew with the renegade faction is unknown, Armando Pollastrino and Bruno Indelicato were the other two crews with the renegade faction. Armando was having problems of his own with the courts, and was in jail at the time. Frank Lino was Bruno Indelicatos stand in as to make sure Bruno could continue the war if anything went wrong at the meeting. The sixth crew that was with the renegade faction but switched sides is said to have been Salvatore Catalano before a majority of the zips switched to the Rastelli faction a month before the meeting. This has not been confirmed by any of the made members who turned on the family in the 2000s.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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12/26/18 08:45 PM
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@Giacomo_Vacari.
Do you think Rastelli and Massino would have ordered the 3 capo's murder if Salvatore Catalano; and the zips were still aligned with the renegade faction?
I doubt it... The zip's were no joke.
By the way; Wasn't Frank Lino neutral in the conflict? Why would he be Bruno's stand-in? He had no clue about what was going to take place in that social club. He barely left that place with his life. I read something that he also lied to the Bonanno administration and Dellacroce about Bruno's hiding location. I'm pretty sure if they all found out about the deception; Lino would have been dead nearly 40 years ago.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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12/27/18 03:58 PM
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Giaconne was based at his trucking business in South Ozone Park. Trinchera also had a trucking businesses, his Bronx one was sold about two months before that hit on the three capos. After the sale, he was seen in North New Jersey, Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens alot, mostly in New Jersey, and Manhattan, close to Sonny Red.
The zips are no joke. But neither were the Indelicatos, Tommy Karate, Giaconne, and a few others in the renegade faction. Many of the Zips, were also split, as Rastelli and his faction were not keeping part of their deal with the Galante hit. Ceasar Bonventre and Philip Ciaconne were related, that is why Bonventre was not told about what was going to happened incase he tipped Ciaconne off. The Rizzuto in Montreal were with Rastelli after Sonny Red borrowed a lot of money from George from Canada, and never made an attempt to pay back the money.
Frank Lino was a soldier in Bruno Indelicatos crew, after Lino was spared due to interference of his cousin Eddie and Dellacroce in the Gambino family. Lino was allowed to come back into the folds. When Sonny Black was to be murdered, Frank Lino was assigned to test his loyalty, and to become the official capo of Bruno Indelicato crew.
There were two neutral members there. Both Capos, who were Joe Zicarelli of New Jersey, and I want to say Vito DeFilippo of the Bronx, but It could have been Al Walker, don't have the report near by.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: BarrettM]
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12/28/18 07:10 PM
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Rastelli was such a shitty boss jesus I may be off base but Rastelli always struck me as a puppet boss.
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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval?
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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12/29/18 12:06 AM
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Ciaconne took over Rastelli crew. Joe Massino was a soldier in Ciaconne crew, but he had access to Rastelli, and there for was the messenger. Sonny Red was powerful, but Ciaconne was a problem cause he was well respected among the other families. By taking out as many of the renegade faction members leaders at the same time, it would scatter the faction with no clear leader. Which worked out perfectly for The Fat Rat.
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