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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/24/18 12:25 PM
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i dont think theres been a boss like persico with as much blood on his hands that guy was killing people or ordering murders like a cartel boss. gotti looks like a saint if you compare those 2. maybe chin could rival him all those murders he called for including all the philly guys hit. Yeah,plus Persico ordered kill a prosecutor because he thinks he disrespected him (then his idiot killers killed the father of the prosecutor and were in turn killed, so from a murder there was 3 murders, but is an another story) and as the boss of the smallest NY family instead of understanding that his claim to continue to boss even from prison would have led to a war that could have disintegrated his family prefered to continue on that road and in 1993 the family members dropped to 70/80 with the top ranking members that died or flipped. Only for this Persico deserve to die in prison.First off Furio, if you look at what I pointed out, copkillers and terrorists get paroled in America, and when they are younger than Persico. Second,the case you mention is muddy, Aronwald was a judge who ruled on parking tickets' and there is no indication Persico was in on it. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/...-roles-in-murders-including-judge-s.htmlYes Jace,but made few examples of copkillers and terrorists that get paroled;and even in this cases, 1)Persico was the boss of a crime family; 2)Why cacace shoulkd say that persico ordered him to kill Aronwald when was more simple to say that he read a name on a paper? 3) If was the mafia in the 1980s,so in the future will be another crime groups leaders to send in prison for give a signal,that the LE is more powerful than the criminal groups.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/26/18 04:32 AM
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Jace, but why do you think Persico wasn't involved in Aronwald's murder? Do you think Cacace ordered it on his own? I don't know if he was or not, I was going by what the story I put up had in it. Aronwald was a traffic court judge who dealt in parking tickets, so his being a judge had nothing to do with him getting killed. It' irrelevant anyway, Persia was not convicted of it, and many have done worse and gotten paroled, as I pointed out but a few choose to ignore. If cop killers and terrorists and cult murderers get paroled when they are younger and way healthier than Perscio, he deserves to get out too. What's not to understand. Persico "thinked" that Aronwald offended him and cosa nostra that why he ordered to kill him.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
[Re: jace]
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Jace, but why do you think Persico wasn't involved in Aronwald's murder? Do you think Cacace ordered it on his own? I don't know if he was or not, I was going by what the story I put up had in it. Aronwald was a traffic court judge who dealt in parking tickets, so his being a judge had nothing to do with him getting killed. It' irrelevant anyway, Persia was not convicted of it, and many have done worse and gotten paroled, as I pointed out but a few choose to ignore. If cop killers and terrorists and cult murderers get paroled when they are younger and way healthier than Perscio, he deserves to get out too. What's not to understand. https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/22/nyregion/victim-s-son-ex-prosecutor-of-the-mafia.htmlWilliam I. Aronwald, the son of the slain Parking Violations Bureau hearing officer, George M. Aronwald, earned a reputation as an aggressive prosecutor and a successful defense lawyer. Both careers enveloped the son in stormy controversies over the last 20 years. As a state and Federal prosecutor in Manhattan in the 1970's, William Aronwald specialized in organized-crime cases and twice convicted one of the Mafia's top bosses in New York City, Aniello Dellacroce. Because of his investigations of Mr. Dellacroce, Mr. Aronwald was called as a prosecution witness in the recent racketeering trial of John Gotti to testify about the code of silence in the Gambino crime family. Mr. Gotti, who the authorities say now heads the Gambino group, was acquitted on March 13 of charges that he ran ''a crew'' for Mr. Dellacroce before he died in 1985. The police said yesterday that were considering the possibility that George Aronwald may have been killed to avenge some cases his son had handled as a prosecutor or defense lawyer. Aronwald sr was killed because his killers (the carnini brothers) read his name on a paper and killed the wrong man,the other families was angry with Persico and ordered him to kill the Carnini brothers and so they was whacked.When the 5 families bosses thinked to kill Giuliani only Persico and Gotti voted yes,so Persico can easly think to kill a prosecutor,even if is forbidden by american cosa nostra rules.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/26/18 07:51 PM
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From the New York Times story of 2004 that I posted:
Yesterday, an assistant United States attorney, Patricia E. Notopoulos, said the order was that ''people were to be killed because of the manner in which they engaged in certain prosecutions.'' William Aronwald, however, has said he knew of no case he had handled in which his actions might have offended Mr. Persico.
I't has also been unclear why the hit men focused on the elder Mr. Aronwald, a judge who ruled on city parking tickets. They hit the "wrong" Aronwald, they were supposed to kill the prosecutor, but killed his father, it's said in the same article from your link. However, it's indeed unclear what exactly had the prosecutor done to anger Persico. But the fact remains: Aronwald was targeted, so there must have been a reason.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/27/18 02:07 PM
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Persico "thinked" that Aronwald offended him and cosa nostra that why he ordered to kill him. Furio, I'm not trying to be an ass, but use "thought" next time. There is no such word in our vocabulary. Just helping out English is not his first language. Give the guy a break will ya. We know what he meant.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/27/18 09:42 PM
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Aronwald was killed, no one knows if Persico gave his okay for it. Carace may have done it on his own I am trying to find and old story saying that Joe Gallo was the target and they killed Aronwald by mistake, thinking he was Gallo. We now know that one was way off. What joe gallo ? Crazy Joe died in 1972.And don't think that Joseph N.Gallo the gambino consigliere could be the target. Joe N. Gallo. He lived on that block or maybe one block away. The newspapers were saying that law enforcement sources said that Joe N, Gallo was the target, and compared his appearence to Aronwalds, trying to say it was a case of mistaken identity. They were making the claim that Gallo was the intended target.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/28/18 04:28 AM
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Aronwald was killed, no one knows if Persico gave his okay for it. Carace may have done it on his own I am trying to find and old story saying that Joe Gallo was the target and they killed Aronwald by mistake, thinking he was Gallo. We now know that one was way off. What joe gallo ? Crazy Joe died in 1972.And don't think that Joseph N.Gallo the gambino consigliere could be the target. Joe N. Gallo. He lived on that block or maybe one block away. The newspapers were saying that law enforcement sources said that Joe N, Gallo was the target, and compared his appearence to Aronwalds, trying to say it was a case of mistaken identity. They were making the claim that Gallo was the intended target. Mobster: "We killed the wrong person;the real target was Joe Gallo". Judge:"Joseph N. Gallo? Mobster:Yes Judge:"Why for god you wanted to kill the Gambino consigliere?" Mobster:"....."
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/28/18 05:11 PM
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say you kill you wife mom or sister in massachusetts or every state you go to in usa or atleast the northeast your found guilty you leave prison in a body bag or carmine persico case i guess he should get out because they basically admitted he wasnt responicble for carmine galantes killing and us the board no he didnt have a say that was the bonananno family cleaning house but hes guilty of like 30 other murders but they didnt try him for them which they should Yeah Pmac they are all fucken guiltily of murder but guys have been let out on that case and the Feds fucked up and it’s out and still with the Persico family paying millions to attorneys it still can not be changed. He was old when put away and now he is old as old he is not going back on the streets , if you let one out when you are found wrong then you have to let others out . This is personal because of him saying to kill a public official well he did not do it.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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09/30/18 11:35 PM
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. Oh please, he deserves a release, boss or not. Not a boss is most likely, he has not been a real boss since he went to prison. In the condition he is in now, he can't function. He should have been sent home 3 or 4 years ago.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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10/01/18 07:07 AM
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. Exactly “ if you do for one you have to do for others , now who says he is a boss of the family? The Feds ! There is not enough going on these days that they need him to be the boss , and when there was he was in a prison that records everything said no way he was the boss ....now back in the day when they have boat loads or helicopter loads of cash being dropped off is a different story . If you guys only knew how far the money game has fallen for the families, I would love to tell you what the Persico has done to remain from being bankrupt ! There was and has been others running that family since Orena no doubt about it and they are in the joint now also ..... The guy is old and almost out of it he is not involved any way other then maybe a visit and reminiscing about the old days .... What they put him away for has been proven that he was not boss then this all has to do with someone saying he was putting a hit on a public official and 90% of these officials are crooks . Look if you do the crime you do the time we all know this and so do they but Carmine is not well and is not the boss of that family other then Feds saying it ......all the research that many if you do you must know that he is not boss.... Do you think for one minute that there is enough going on that he has lawyers and others flying in and out of the prison? They can barely maintain financially what they have ! Trust me I can tell you what they have lost since the days when he was boss .....and it is stuff and houses the Carmine and Joyce loved ! What they did to there homes outside of the city is unbelievable . He is done and has been done . I know in name but that’s all bull , he knows hardly anything, all him boys are away ....do you really think he is running that family? I know all his relatives and trust me they are not running back and forth to the prison to update and bring orders back .....it’s done .
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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10/01/18 07:10 AM
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. Oh please, he deserves a release, boss or not. Not a boss is most likely, he has not been a real boss since he went to prison. In the condition he is in now, he can't function. He should have been sent home 3 or 4 years ago. He has clearly been a "real boss" since he went to prison. I say that because he directed and orchestrated a war for control of the family for crying out loud.
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Re: Persico being kept in Prison for Life
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Is there any reason to let him out, other than the fact that he just wants to be out? The fact that others with similar records as him have been let out is all the more reason to stop allowing such privilege. They just want a compassionate release. You know you pissed them off when you can't even get that these days... Persico is an official boss of a OC group,so no compassionate release. I didn't say he deserved it or not so slow your roll
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