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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: bronx] #953258
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Cosa Nostra News article states:

That there are 3 families in Hamilton
Two of them are tied to American LCN

Obviously Bonnano and Todaro...
The third tied to the Rizzuto's the Mustiano Family

The two are taking out the Mustiano Family for two reasons:

1) Pay back
2) Take advantage of the situation

The Violios we know are Todaro family...

It looks like the picture is starting to come together up north

The Rizzuto's and their allies figured they didn't need American LCN backing....

That was a big mistake

Mustiano's rode the Rizzuto's coat tails, now that they are out of power they have no backing...

They are done

You see the Bananno's having making ceremonies in canada now and they are getting indicted with the Violio's and Gambino's....

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The Papalia family is active in Hamilton and Toronto; in Delianuova and Platì, Calabria and Buccinasco, Milan.

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Domenico Papalia, Johnny Papalia's first cousin, was a boss in the 'Ndrangheta in Calabria. He was involved in at least five kidnappings and convicted for the 1976 murder of rival mobster Antonio D'Agostino.[4] In the 1970s, a branch of the Papalia family relocated their operations from Platì to Buccinasco near Milan. Another two first cousins of Johnny, Antonio and Rocco Papalia, used ransom money from kidnppings to buy large shipments of drugs for export. In 1993, authorities seized a house, factory, land, cars and businesses that belonged to Antonio and Rocco, worth over $40 million.[4] The Papalias also operated with the Barbaro 'ndrina in the north–south operation, also having connections stretching to Australia.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/organized-crime-musitano-iavarone-murder-hamilton-1.4825446

Public slayings of Musitano, Iavarone meant to send a message, says expert

Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: BensonHURST] #953290
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Cosa Nostra News article states:

That there are 3 families in Hamilton
Two of them are tied to American LCN

Obviously Bonnano and Todaro...
The third tied to the Rizzuto's the Mustiano Family

The two are taking out the Mustiano Family for two reasons:

1) Pay back
2) Take advantage of the situation

The Violios we know are Todaro family...

It looks like the picture is starting to come together up north

The Rizzuto's and their allies figured they didn't need American LCN backing....

That was a big mistake

Mustiano's rode the Rizzuto's coat tails, now that they are out of power they have no backing...

They are done

You see the Bananno's having making ceremonies in canada now and they are getting indicted with the Violio's and Gambino's....





The American LCN no longer controls up north. Canada now has independent families that control the region and their ties and loyalty goes back to Italy.

The only family I see having some sort of involvement in Canada is the Buffalo family in southern Ontario, and even with them I think it's more of a convenience for the Hamilton mobsters rather than Buffalo having an actual control. If anything, I would say the power for the Buffalo Mob sits in Hamilton under the Pappalias, not in Buffalo, but they fly that LCN flag because it gets them access and connections in New York. Do keep in mind the Pappalia family has roots in Calabria, and in Hamilton the folks who control this group are pretty much the same family as the Luppinos. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the Luppinos, Pappalias, Violis, and Musitanos are all Calabrian mobsters, and they only dabble with LCN when they want to extend their power and influence.

The Gambinos are doing business in the Toronto area, but they are only up there by association and joint ventures with the local Calabrian families that have control. The Gambino family does not have any control up there.

The Bonnano family is a thing of the past seeing how Montreal is upside down with all the killings.

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Originally Posted by thebigfella
So it's established, the buffalo family is active? Nevermind, forget I asked 🤐


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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: Serpiente] #953327
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Murders only ever seem to take place in Canada now.


Good thing all the people now days will be having protests!

Back in the day you minded your own ! Never seen a problem with a guy that minded his own.....


Back in the day you made it ur business to mind ur business.

And you just be left alone

Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: BronaZora] #953328
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Originally Posted by BronaZora
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Cosa Nostra News article states:

That there are 3 families in Hamilton
Two of them are tied to American LCN

Obviously Bonnano and Todaro...
The third tied to the Rizzuto's the Mustiano Family

The two are taking out the Mustiano Family for two reasons:

1) Pay back
2) Take advantage of the situation

The Violios we know are Todaro family...

It looks like the picture is starting to come together up north

The Rizzuto's and their allies figured they didn't need American LCN backing....

That was a big mistake

Mustiano's rode the Rizzuto's coat tails, now that they are out of power they have no backing...

They are done

You see the Bananno's having making ceremonies in canada now and they are getting indicted with the Violio's and Gambino's....





The American LCN no longer controls up north. Canada now has independent families that control the region and their ties and loyalty goes back to Italy.

The only family I see having some sort of involvement in Canada is the Buffalo family in southern Ontario, and even with them I think it's more of a convenience for the Hamilton mobsters rather than Buffalo having an actual control. If anything, I would say the power for the Buffalo Mob sits in Hamilton under the Pappalias, not in Buffalo, but they fly that LCN flag because it gets them access and connections in New York. Do keep in mind the Pappalia family has roots in Calabria, and in Hamilton the folks who control this group are pretty much the same family as the Luppinos. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the Luppinos, Pappalias, Violis, and Musitanos are all Calabrian mobsters, and they only dabble with LCN when they want to extend their power and influence.

The Gambinos are doing business in the Toronto area, but they are only up there by association and joint ventures with the local Calabrian families that have control. The Gambino family does not have any control up there.

The Bonnano family is a thing of the past seeing how Montreal is upside down with all the killings.


I made that call about Buffalo when I first came on here.

Based on what I read I assumed that made all the sense.

No one really agreed with and actually a few posters got really upset.

These routes were carved out during the Mobs hey day no way anyone will just walk away.

Huge money to be made the Canada and MY border back then and today.

Think about it they have secret routes that are really secure as no one is getting pinched that they can get anything across the border.

What's that worth?

So the third Hamilton if they are not aligned with the Bananno's than what American LCN Family?

Detroit?


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Originally Posted by BronaZora
The Bonnano family is a thing of the past seeing how Montreal is upside down with all the killings.


Those killings (taking into consideration the high-level ones) were started by the Bonannos (arranged by Montagna).

The Bonannos may have lost a lot of influence, but I'll put my money on them, as an actual still considered to be viable family, being more active in Canada than whatever is left of Buffalo.

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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: bronx] #953396
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Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-deadly-ontario-dispute-sources-say.html

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Why would mobsters in Buffalo let someone in Hamilton be the boss? And if the power in in Hamilton, why would they let new York guys hit ang, also why would the new York mob turn thier backs on the hitters??? This still doesn't make since


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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: antimafia] #953419
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Originally Posted by antimafia
Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-deadly-ontario-dispute-sources-say.html


Wow! Those quoted in this article have little doubt the Buffalo Family is active. Politely, I’d lack to see Nicky from Tampa’s response and if he tries to explain this away.

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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: thebigfella] #953427
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Why would mobsters in Buffalo let someone in Hamilton be the boss? And if the power in in Hamilton, why would they let new York guys hit ang, also why would the new York mob turn thier backs on the hitters??? This still doesn't make since


I don't think Buffalo guys are doing the shooting I think their are playing a part in whatever is going on.

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[quote=antimafia]Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-deadly-ontario-dispute-sources-say.html[/quote

I would say according to the law of Gangster BB if it's in the press It makes it official.

And it's recent as of last week and quoted L.E.

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Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: thebigfella] #953430
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Why would mobsters in Buffalo let someone in Hamilton be the boss? And if the power in in Hamilton, why would they let new York guys hit ang, also why would the new York mob turn thier backs on the hitters??? This still doesn't make since


Notice the beginning of the article. It says:

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The murder of Hamilton real estate agent Al Iavarone at his home last week suggests that the New York State mob still has considerable influence in the southern Ontario underworld, sources say.


It speaks of NY State mobsters ...I don’t think they are referring to NYC and the families there. I believe they are referring to Buffalo—as that is what is referenced in the title. Could be wrong, but that is my thought.

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
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Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-deadly-ontario-dispute-sources-say.html


Wow! Those quoted in this article have little doubt the Buffalo Family is active. Politely, I’d lack to see Nicky from Tampa’s response and if he tries to explain this away.


For what it is worth here is the wiki article on Paul Manning who this article quotes. (I know wiki is not a reliable source!) If the article is correct, it seems he infiltrated the Musitano and Paplia crime families and then his cover was blown in 2006.. Also, indicates he has a lawsuit against Hamilton Police for an intelligence breach and criminality related to his blown cover.

Paul Manning

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Originally Posted by NickleCity
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Originally Posted by antimafia
Buffalo mob playing role in deadly Ontario dispute, sources say

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-deadly-ontario-dispute-sources-say.html


Wow! Those quoted in this article have little doubt the Buffalo Family is active. Politely, I’d lack to see Nicky from Tampa’s response and if he tries to explain this away.


For what it is worth here is the wiki article on Paul Manning who this article quotes. (I know wiki is not a reliable source!) If the article is correct, it seems he infiltrated the Musitano and Paplia crime families and then his cover was blown in 2006.. Also, indicates he has a lawsuit against Hamilton Police for an intelligence breach and criminality related to his blown cover.

Paul Manning



Here is the article the wiki is based off of: Undercover Cop Manning Betrayed

Re: another mob guy murdered [Re: bronx] #953445
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Updated article by CBC News reporter who has been covering the Iavarone murder. A source, Stephen Metelsky, is quoted in the story as saying that Iavarone is connected to the Musitanos.

Iavarone family not speaking with police and want to be 'left in peace'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/albert-iavarone-family-death-investigation-1.4827936.

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Originally Posted by antimafia
Updated article by CBC News reporter who has been covering the Iavarone murder. A source, Stephen Metelsky, is quoted in the story as saying that Iavarone is connected to the Musitanos.

Iavarone family not speaking with police and want to be 'left in peace'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/albert-iavarone-family-death-investigation-1.4827936.


A very important piece of information. This may explain the alliance with the Wolfpack.

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Hamilton cops release image of vehicle in suspected gangland hit

https://torontosun.com/news/local-n...ge-of-vehicle-in-suspected-gangland-hit/

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Interesting tweet by crime reporter Jeremy Grimaldi, based north of Toronto in York Region, and an even more interesting reply by private investigator Derrick Snowdy, whose tweets and images I started posting last November (Ciment also posted a few days later the Luppino family tree that Snowdy tweeted).

https://twitter.com/Journo_Jez/status/1042102813080338432

Jeremy Grimaldi @Journo_Jez
Is murder of #Ancaster's Al Iavarone linked to #Woodbridge murder of Mila Barberi? - https://bit.ly/2QFrf2o @YRP
1:27 PM - Sep 18, 2018

Derrick Snowdy @jdsnowdy
Yes, it’s also linked to 3 other killings at least. It’s understood that the shooters are being brought in from an island country via Montreal.
1:32 PM - Sep 18, 2018

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Here is where Pete Edwards stands on Buffalo being active and involved in Canada:

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The Buffalo mob isn’t dead, despite some media reports. And they’re playing a role in an ongoing dispute that includes the murder last week of a Hamilton real estate agent. Things will be worse before they get better, as murder of Angelo Musitano drives one side in dispute to clean house.


Here is the link: https://peteredwardsauthor.com/2018/09/buffalo-mob-involved-in-deadly-niagara-region-dispute/

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I think what is happening is the two Calabrian families along with the Bananno's and Buffalo are taking out the Mustiano's/Rizzuto.

I don't think American LCN are proving the shooters here maybe it's more support.

Also, they have strong ties to the mother land as well and it looks like the
Gambino's maybe trying to pick up some territory while it is up for grabs.

Also it is possible that because of increased Border Patrol and ICE the Mexican Cartels are feeling the pinch

Just maybe the Canada border since Trump became more important.....

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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
I think what is happening is the two Calabrian families along with the Bananno's and Buffalo are taking out the Mustiano's/Rizzuto.

I don't think American LCN are proving the shooters here maybe it's more support.

Also, they have strong ties to the mother land as well and it looks like the
Gambino's maybe trying to pick up some territory while it is up for grabs.

Also it is possible that because of increased Border Patrol and ICE the Mexican Cartels are feeling the pinch

Just maybe the Canada border since Trump became more important.....



Don´t forget what is left of the Cotroni crime family.


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Originally Posted by antimafia
Interesting tweet by crime reporter Jeremy Grimaldi, based north of Toronto in York Region, and an even more interesting reply by private investigator Derrick Snowdy, whose tweets and images I started posting last November (Ciment also posted a few days later the Luppino family tree that Snowdy tweeted).

https://twitter.com/Journo_Jez/status/1042102813080338432

Jeremy Grimaldi @Journo_Jez
Is murder of #Ancaster's Al Iavarone linked to #Woodbridge murder of Mila Barberi? - https://bit.ly/2QFrf2o @YRP
1:27 PM - Sep 18, 2018

Derrick Snowdy @jdsnowdy
Yes, it’s also linked to 3 other killings at least. It’s understood that the shooters are being brought in from an island country via Montreal.
1:32 PM - Sep 18, 2018


I agree,interesting comments by Derrick Snowdy and Grimaldi. This means the attempted murder on Serrano, Sergi shooting and possibly other homicides are presumed linked.

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The Cotroni family is still with the Bonanno's. With Lavarone murder, the plotters might be luring Joe out, as Pat Musitano will be too paranoid to come out of hiding.


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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
The Cotroni family is still with the Bonanno's. With Lavarone murder, the plotters might be luring Joe out, as Pat Musitano will be too paranoid to come out of hiding.


How many strong are they?
Where are they located?
Montreal?

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If you think about it from a logical perspective
At the time of the Violio's bust

L.E. sent out cryptic messages alluding to the fact that Buffalo is still active calling them the Todaro family.

It was just shy.

Mind you this all coming from Canada,
I am thinking C.A.didn't want to put out stories that conflicted with U.S.

So they stopped just shy of doing what they did here recently.

If you look at the announcements from Back then the one thing they did not do is refer to Buffalo as DEFUNCT

Not once




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