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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: helenwheels]
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05/23/18 08:53 PM
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Again, feel free to disagree with what I've said. Don't name call. It's rude, and it's against board rules. Well, you called me a kid, for nothing more than challenging your words. So, you really don't have the high ground here, either. My point about less white had to do with gentrification. The definition of gentrification is white, upper class people moving into neighborhoods that were poor and usually black or latino. That's not what happened to Bay Ridge, which is what i wrote in my post, when Belmont mentioned it had gentrified. Some of your descriptions were outright bigoted. It's amusing being called a bigot here at GBB. Im usually being called a leftist/liberal here, so this makes for a nice change of pace. If you normally use the kinds of descriptions you did today, I'd say "centrist" is a more accurate description of your politics. There's more than two ideologies on the spectrum.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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05/23/18 08:59 PM
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Again, feel free to disagree with what I've said. Don't name call. It's rude, and it's against board rules. Well, you called me a kid, for nothing more than challenging your words. So, you really don't have the high ground here, either. My point about less white had to do with gentrification. The definition of gentrification is white, upper class people moving into neighborhoods that were poor and usually black or latino. That's not what happened to Bay Ridge, which is what i wrote in my post, when Belmont mentioned it had gentrified. Some of your descriptions were outright bigoted. It's amusing being called a bigot here at GBB. Im usually being called a leftist/liberal here, so this makes for a nice change of pace. If you normally use the kinds of descriptions you did today, I'd say "centrist" is a more accurate description of your politics. There's more than two ideologies on the spectrum. You're comparing 'kid' to 'jerkoff'? And yes, I'm aware that there are more than two ideologies on the political spectrum, not that our current climate seems to allow for those type of nuances.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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05/23/18 09:07 PM
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Lmao, where did i claim victimhood?
Tough as cement tits babe.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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05/24/18 03:09 AM
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Some of your descriptions were outright bigoted.
What's wrong with being "bigoted" ?? It's like Roseanne saying that working class whites need a voice. oh my gawwd....
which is outright classist of you to say
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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05/24/18 11:22 AM
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The immigrants moving in today are experiencing tenfold the challenges that immigrants of centuries' past have, especially in the Zenophobic Trump era. As far as Italians keeping the neighborhood clean or whatever, they had the unique privilege of being second and third generation residents of these working class areas just as the prosperous 20th century was taking hold. Massive government spending on basic services and maintenance in working class areas like Brooklyn during the New Deal years, along with district green lining by banks were privileges that the European immigrants of the 20th century enjoyed. Not only are these privileges non existent to today's immigrants, they weren't even available in the New Deal years to people of color. Are you out of your gender neutral, cultural marxist, postmodernist mind? Off the top of my white priviledged head: Polio, Frank McCourt's 3 dead siblings (in 1940's Brooklyn, well after the New Deal), no heat in winter, no refrigeration, no health insurance,"shape up" jobs, draft riots (civil war era), race riots (every fucking weekend thereafter) and murder rates in the thousands per year (2500 shootings in NYC in 1993) compared with a couple hundred in 2018. Now as I am familiar with social services in both NYC and Nassau, since my youth was quite likely not even close to yours, I'll tell what modern immigrants receive: In Nassau: A free smartphone, interpretation services, hotel stays for homeless families, shelters for single men, job placement, cash assistance, SNAP benefits, alcohol/drug counseling, career counseling, legal aid, fair hearings, WIC benefits (woman with infant child), restaurant vouchers, EEOC laws, countless nonprofit resources (including some that dole out free metrocards), medicaid, medicare (including MRI's and other astronomically expensive procedures not available in previous years), and HOSPITALS THAT MUST SERVE EVERY EMERGENCY ROOM VISITOR REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP OR INSURANCE STATUS (aka: free health care for those too stupid to show up at DSS). Not to mention immigrants keep pouring in from the Soros-sphere. People run FROM oppression, not TOWARDS it. I know you liberals you've had a rough go of things lately, what with all the Jordan Petersons and Sam Harris's running around, but please go back to your cry closet/safe space/rent controlled luxury apartment. I'll be on the bus as usual watching grown men play video games on their free phone.
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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05/24/18 10:53 PM
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Agreed, nausea is the only contribution he brings to the board
Dont worry about what Im doing
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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05/25/18 12:01 AM
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Great post by FLUSHING up above, detailing the many benefits extended to modern-day immigrants.
As for OakAsFan's understanding of justice, it is shallow and "universalist." True justice is what you owe to generations PAST and generations FUTURE, as you pursue a shared vision of the good, handed down from generation to generation, among groups related by bonds of race, culture, religion and blood. It is not something owed to people who originate halfway across the globe, and whose only claim is that they are contemporaneous with you
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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05/25/18 01:59 PM
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Flushing's post was not great. He's comparing band-aid benefits offered to the poor today to the extensive New Deal programs that poor whites thrived on between the 1930s and 1980s. He thinks a smart phone is as valuable as a 30 year career at a union job.
Also, you're confusing justice with nationalism. Hey OAF, I always like your posts on the mob, very informative.. But why do you want to ram your political views in everybody's throat? It's getting very annoying..
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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05/25/18 06:38 PM
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But why do you want to ram your political views in everybody's throat? It's getting very annoying..
OakAsFan has a right to his opinion the same as everyone. Helenwheels gave his (her?) opinion and OakAsFan responded.
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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05/25/18 07:31 PM
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But why do you want to ram your political views in everybody's throat? It's getting very annoying..
OakAsFan has a right to his opinion the same as everyone. Helenwheels gave his (her?) opinion and OakAsFan responded. True, but the problem is that he doesn't stop. Seems like once he gets on his soapbox he just can't help himself..
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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05/25/18 07:45 PM
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why do you want to ram your political views in everybody's throat? You have it all wrong. I'm stopping lies from being rammed down everyone else's throats. OK, didn't know you were on of those guys with a monopoly on the truth..
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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05/25/18 09:14 PM
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OK, didn't know you were on of those guys with a monopoly on the truth. It's not hard to be when you're arguing with right wingers (or centrists who sympathize with some of their misguided views). Didn't know you were such a self-righteous prick OAF.. That's why I try to stay away from politics as much as possible over here, because it rarely does any good. Just like discussions about religion. The guys who share my political views know where I stand, but I don't have the urge to blurt out those views in unrelated, non-political threads..
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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05/25/18 10:56 PM
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Well, characters in mafia movies protected Italians from being screwed over. In real life, not so much.
And, as I've stated above, the second, third generations of Italians, along with the off spring other white immigrant groups in the mid 20th century, benefited from extensive government programs designed to form a middle class that were not as accessible to minorities, and which today's benefits are mere band aids compared to.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: python134r]
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05/26/18 07:14 AM
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Have not been around for 15 years but affirmative, there are some street guys around, not like 30 years ago, However, Russians and Chinese own like all the businesses on 86th Street, 18th Ave is alive last I heard........ I owned a few places on 86th both in Bay Ridge and Bath Beach from 1975 to 1990, then came the murder, death, betrayal and lies. Then and only then I jetted, after 80 months downtime from the Eastern District of NY. @ Various BOP facilities. Are you yourself from Bath Beach and if you don't mind me asking how old are you sir?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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05/28/18 12:00 AM
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Flushing's post was not great. He's comparing band-aid benefits offered to the poor today to the extensive New Deal programs that poor whites thrived on between the 1930s and 1980s. He thinks a smart phone is as valuable as a 30 year career at a union job.
Also, you're confusing justice with nationalism. Well, characters in mafia movies protected Italians from being screwed over. In real life, not so much.
And, as I've stated above, the second, third generations of Italians, along with the off spring other white immigrant groups in the mid 20th century, benefited from extensive government programs designed to form a middle class that were not as accessible to minorities, and which today's benefits are mere band aids compared to. Italians and other white ethnic groups another offspring have not benefited from these programs anywhere near to the extent that minorities have. You lie constantly, and just make stuff up as you go along.
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