Well, you called me a kid, for nothing more than challenging your words. So, you really don't have the high ground here, either.



Some of your descriptions were outright bigoted.



If you normally use the kinds of descriptions you did today, I'd say "centrist" is a more accurate description of your politics. There's more than two ideologies on the spectrum.

You're comparing 'kid' to 'jerkoff'?

And yes, I'm aware that there are more than two ideologies on the political spectrum, not that our current climate seems to allow for those type of nuances.

Uh oh. This is the final phase of the Roseanne werewolf transformation. Pretending YOU'RE the victim because your words were criticized, not the people you equated to "trash".

Lmao, where did i claim victimhood?

Tough as cement tits babe.

Your insinuation that you're not "allowed" to liken "less white", "Arabic" people to trash, when you obviously are.

It's like Roseanne saying that working class whites need a voice. oh my gawwd.....

Bay Ridge is one of the few decent neighborhoods left in Brooklyn that can be considered "affordable" without a complete butchering of the definition of that word. So yes, it's becoming a hipster "hood. That being said, the R Train absolutely fucking sucks and it's far enough away from downtown that there's a psychological barrier. That's why it may seem "trashy" to some. It's an eclectic neighborhood that attracts a diverse crowd from various socioeconomic backgrounds. That would include LCN. How big of a piece the Italians have left in Bay Ridge I couldn't tell you, probably very little, but I can guarantee you activity persists.

What's wrong with being "bigoted" ??



which is outright classist of you to say

Are you out of your gender neutral, cultural marxist, postmodernist mind?

Off the top of my white priviledged head: Polio, Frank McCourt's 3 dead siblings (in 1940's Brooklyn, well after the New Deal), no heat in winter, no refrigeration, no health insurance,"shape up" jobs, draft riots (civil war era), race riots (every fucking weekend thereafter) and murder rates in the thousands per year (2500 shootings in NYC in 1993) compared with a couple hundred in 2018.

Now as I am familiar with social services in both NYC and Nassau, since my youth was quite likely not even close to yours, I'll tell what modern immigrants receive:

In Nassau: A free smartphone, interpretation services, hotel stays for homeless families, shelters for single men, job placement, cash assistance, SNAP benefits, alcohol/drug counseling, career counseling, legal aid, fair hearings, WIC benefits (woman with infant child), restaurant vouchers, EEOC laws, countless nonprofit resources (including some that dole out free metrocards), medicaid, medicare (including MRI's and other astronomically expensive procedures not available in previous years), and HOSPITALS THAT MUST SERVE EVERY EMERGENCY ROOM VISITOR REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP OR INSURANCE STATUS (aka: free health care for those too stupid to show up at DSS).

Not to mention immigrants keep pouring in from the Soros-sphere. People run FROM oppression, not TOWARDS it.

I know you liberals you've had a rough go of things lately, what with all the Jordan Petersons and Sam Harris's running around, but please go back to your cry closet/safe space/rent controlled luxury apartment. I'll be on the bus as usual watching grown men play video games on their free phone.

Well said Flushing. I don't normally get involved in these types of postings (last time I challenged a post I was accused of being someone else, and, being from another country) but felt the need to say I agree with your posting 100%

I disagree too that gentrification is mostly white , upper class I agree but

Imo most gentrified areas in NYC / NJ are pretty diverse with Latinos , Asians and Indians now a big

Percentage of the population along with whites . Still not many American Americans but very diverse

They all basically make $100K+ in Manhattan or Jersey City

Figures someone would try to bring up the band aids given to immigrants today to disprove the glaring advantages that white immigrants of the 20th century enjoyed.

The fact that this person lists smart phones as their first example says it all.

Oaks take your social justice crusade somewhere else it's just pathetic at this point.

Agreed, nausea is the only contribution he brings to the board

It's not social justice. It's justice.

Great post by FLUSHING up above, detailing the many benefits extended to modern-day immigrants.

As for OakAsFan's understanding of justice, it is shallow and "universalist." True justice is what you owe to generations PAST and generations FUTURE, as you pursue a shared vision of the good, handed down from generation to generation, among groups related by bonds of race, culture, religion and blood. It is not something owed to people who originate halfway across the globe, and whose only claim is that they are contemporaneous with you

Flushing's post was not great. He's comparing band-aid benefits offered to the poor today to the extensive New Deal programs that poor whites thrived on between the 1930s and 1980s. He thinks a smart phone is as valuable as a 30 year career at a union job.

Also, you're confusing justice with nationalism.

Hey OAF, I always like your posts on the mob, very informative..
But why do you want to ram your political views in everybody's throat? It's getting very annoying..

OakAsFan has a right to his opinion the same as everyone. Helenwheels gave his (her?) opinion and OakAsFan responded.

True, but the problem is that he doesn't stop. Seems like once he gets on his soapbox he just can't help himself..

You have it all wrong. I'm stopping lies from being rammed down everyone else's throats.

OK, didn't know you were on of those guys with a monopoly on the truth..

It's not hard to be when you're arguing with right wingers (or centrists who sympathize with some of their misguided views).

Didn't know you were such a self-righteous prick OAF..

That's why I try to stay away from politics as much as possible over here, because it rarely does any good. Just like discussions about religion. The guys who share my political views know where I stand, but I don't have the urge to blurt out those views in unrelated, non-political threads..

Maybe you ought to review entire threads before doing some blurting of your own and placing blame where it doesn't belong.

Immigrants have it tough?? This is why Cosa Nosa strived in America, to protect the Italians from getting screwed over. New immigrants don't need Cosa Nostra they have the government. Or let's not pretend just 50 years ago we were all greaseball wops. Italians have been discriminated against for 100s of years in America.

Have not been around for 15 years but affirmative, there are some street guys around, not like 30 years ago,
However, Russians and Chinese own like all the businesses on 86th Street, 18th Ave is alive last I heard........
I owned a few places on 86th both in Bay Ridge and Bath Beach from 1975 to 1990, then came the murder, death, betrayal and lies.
Then and only then I jetted, after 80 months downtime from the Eastern District of NY. @ Various BOP facilities.

Well, characters in mafia movies protected Italians from being screwed over. In real life, not so much.

And, as I've stated above, the second, third generations of Italians, along with the off spring other white immigrant groups in the mid 20th century, benefited from extensive government programs designed to form a middle class that were not as accessible to minorities, and which today's benefits are mere band aids compared to.

Are you yourself from Bath Beach and if you don't mind me asking how old are you sir?

Bensonhurst used to look like a beautiful town from Italy.
You had some of the best Salumeria's and Pizzeria/Restaurants in America.
The streets were cleaned and well manicured.
Bensonhurst probably had the lowest crime rate in the country.
Almost all who lived in the neighborhood took great pride.
Italian and other nationalities as well.
Almost all Italians loved America and and believed in American values and way of life.

Today Bensonhurst is a shit hole
It looks like a ghetto neighborhood from China.

Bayridge similar story 4th and 5th ave look like neighborhoods in IRAQ or Syria

These are facts it may not sound very nice but sometimes the truth isn't always nice.

No gentrification has occurred in either neighborhood I wish it would.

The middle eastern Bodega'a are disgusting and dirty I would say about 99% of them I will not buy a sandwich or a cup of coffee.

Italians and other white ethnic groups another offspring have not benefited from these programs anywhere near to the extent that minorities have. You lie constantly, and just make stuff up as you go along.