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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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I was afraid the hipsters would take over Bay Ridge at some point. https://twitter.com/HipsterBeatingsDieHipster once drew a line across Brooklyn and dared them to cross it. Guess they crossed it.
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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My observations of Bay Ridge are the opposite of gentrifying. I think it's gotten more trashy, for lack of a better word. When i think of gentrification I think more whites moving in, but Bay Ridge is less white than it used to be.
86th street by Century is absolutely disgusting. 5th Avenue as well, just gross. Loads of Arabic shops, at one time they ended at about 75th street, now they come all the way up to 86th.
There are still gorgeous residential blocks between Ridge Blvd and Shore Road, with very high ticket real estate and some excellent restaurants on 3rd ave, as always, but the ethnic makeup of the place has changed dramatically.
I grew up in Dyker, went to grade school in Bay Ridge. Lived there until my early 30s. I'm still in Brooklyn about once or twice a week and we never fail to comment on how the place has changed. Had dinner at Ho'brah on 3rd and 87th just the other day, and when we parked and walked from 4th to 3rd we were shocked by all the garbage bags on the street.
Bensonhurst is practically unrecognizable. 18th avenue has Chinese storefronts all over, Bath avenue has Arabic stores everywhere, or Russian, Cropsey Ave too (although the Cropsey lounge is still there, just saw it last week). The old Deluxe theater is a giant mosque.
Shockingly, I just found out that the old Fortune Cookie chinese restaurant on 13th in Dyker has now been sold to a Puerto Rican pastor, for another branch of his church. He has a radio show or some such. That's something I could never had imagined while I was living there.
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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My observations of Bay Ridge are the opposite of gentrifying. I think it's gotten more trashy, for lack of a better word. When i think of gentrification I think more whites moving in, but Bay Ridge is less white than it used to be.
86th street by Century is absolutely disgusting. 5th Avenue as well, just gross. Loads of Arabic shops, at one time they ended at about 75th street, now they come all the way up to 86th.
There are still gorgeous residential blocks between Ridge Blvd and Shore Road, with very high ticket real estate and some excellent restaurants on 3rd ave, as always, but the ethnic makeup of the place has changed dramatically.
I grew up in Dyker, went to grade school in Bay Ridge. Lived there until my early 30s. I'm still in Brooklyn about once or twice a week and we never fail to comment on how the place has changed. Had dinner at Ho'brah on 3rd and 87th just the other day, and when we parked and walked from 4th to 3rd we were shocked by all the garbage bags on the street.
Bensonhurst is practically unrecognizable. 18th avenue has Chinese storefronts all over, Bath avenue has Arabic stores everywhere, or Russian, Cropsey Ave too (although the Cropsey lounge is still there, just saw it last week). The old Deluxe theater is a giant mosque.
Shockingly, I just found out that the old Fortune Cookie chinese restaurant on 13th in Dyker has now been sold to a Puerto Rican pastor, for another branch of his church. He has a radio show or some such. That's something I could never had imagined while I was living there. Hey helen, are you talking about the lucchese "cropsey lounge"? Where is it located?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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I remember bay ridge back in the day. I was there a few months ago and saw a lot of those hipster type coffee shops and stuff. Thats why i thought the whole hood was gentrified. Lots of muslims chinese, and russians all over the once italian areas of brooklyn. They do NOT keep the neighborhoods up like the italians did. Pet accessories stores...Cupcake stores too lol. Who needs a bakery that only makes cupcakes? Alex, it's on Cropsey avenue near 19th avenue. Still had a bunch of cars double parked outside, just like in the old days. Some street guy bars will never die, like the Homestretch on Kings Highway
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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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I remember bay ridge back in the day. I was there a few months ago and saw a lot of those hipster type coffee shops and stuff. Thats why i thought the whole hood was gentrified. Lots of muslims chinese, and russians all over the once italian areas of brooklyn. They do NOT keep the neighborhoods up like the italians did. Pet accessories stores...Cupcake stores too lol. Who needs a bakery that only makes cupcakes? Alex, it's on Cropsey avenue near 19th avenue. Still had a bunch of cars double parked outside, just like in the old days. Some street guy bars will never die, like the Homestretch on Kings Highway Hello again, tell me please is the lounge at the same spot where the Cadu lounge used to be? Or?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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SI is so mobbed up its crazy. Back to bensonhust, there’s actully a mob social club there. Its called the banner social club and its owned by the Bonnanos. Yep, and Staten Island is mostly residential which shows you that the Mob has slowly changed (maybe from the late 90's onward) from an urban into a suburban phenomenon.. You see the same movements to the suburbs with Chicago Outfit.. Agreed, Billy. I would add that the phenomenon started as rural (in Sicily), became urban (in NYC), and now is segwaying back to rural (Italian presence in the Poconos, PA). There are a lot of variables, however, and I doubt the mob will ever fully return to its rural roots, even in Italy. The maniacal suppression of nationalism in the western world makes the notion of a "town of Italians" or "neighborhood of Italians" seem more ludicrous every day.
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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That would make more sense in that if the old lady lived in a $2, 3 or 4 million home like the ones in Bay Ridge and Dyker Heights, as opposed to the cold water walk up flat in Newark she had on the show. Most people don't want to spend that kind of money on a house and then hit the main shopping area 3 blocks away and see streets full of garbage and crappy chain stores. It was once a bedroom community, like a small town in the city. Now it's overcrowded and different in a way that you can't understand unless you'd experienced it before and after. I'm sure there are paralells in many large cities. Speaking of Bay Ridge, I came across this earlier this week True Crime Bay Ridge: On Shore Road, the First Mafia Murder in New York https://www.heyridge.com/2018/05/tr...road-the-first-mafia-murder-in-new-york/
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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Bay Ridge was always a well to do area, not working class. Ditto Dyker. Its streets were lined with mansions, dating back to before the turn of the 20th century. Diamond Jim Brady had a home there, along with Lillian Russell, and many old NY blue blood families. Many of these homes are still there. Many others were built later. It wasn't primarily Italian, even 20 years ago. German, Irish, Norwegian, Lebanese, Greek, etc. all had large presences there.
It has become a working class area recently, in the last 20 years or so, full of newer immigrants, which is the point being made.
Bensonhurst is another matter. It was always immigrants, blue collar and working class. Not the same thing as Bay Ridge.
Again, if you aren't familiar with the area, you can't understand. All of Brooklyn isn't working class, and never was. It's a large city, with very diverse areas as far as wealth goes.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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Oh, come on. You were throwing out all of the bells and whistles. My observations of Bay Ridge are the opposite of gentrifying. I think it's gotten more trashy, for lack of a better word. When i think of gentrification I think more whites moving in, but Bay Ridge is less white than it used to be. 86th street by Century is absolutely disgusting. 5th Avenue as well, just gross. Loads of Arabic shops, at one time they ended at about 75th street, now they come all the way up to 86th. There are still gorgeous residential blocks between Ridge Blvd and Shore Road, with very high ticket real estate and some excellent restaurants on 3rd ave, as always, but the ethnic makeup of the place has changed dramatically. Bensonhurst is practically unrecognizable. 18th avenue has Chinese storefronts all over, Bath avenue has Arabic stores everywhere, or Russian, Cropsey Ave too (although the Cropsey lounge is still there, just saw it last week). The old Deluxe theater is a giant mosque. Shockingly, I just found out that the old Fortune Cookie chinese restaurant on 13th in Dyker has now been sold to a Puerto Rican pastor, for another branch of his church. This is Trump rally material.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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Ok kid. Whatever you say. Seig heil, btw . Enjoy your day.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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Ok kid. Whatever you say. Seig heil, btw . Enjoy your day. I'm not a kid. And, I didn't personally insult you. I'm just challenging some of the terms you're using, which reek of zenophobia and racism.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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It's xenophobia, btw. Unless you meant a fear of Mahayana Buddhists.
My points were probably more socio-economic than anything else, not that it matters. But you do you. I know enough not to take web conversations personally.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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Sometimes I like to spell words the way they're pronounced. My points were probably more socio-economic than anything else, What? I suppose anyone could fall back on this disclaimer following a bigoted tirade. "trashy" "less white" "gross...Arabic" These are some of the words you chose in your "socio-economic" observations of modern day Brooklyn.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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The guy ur debating is a jerkoff. And he’s blind. Ive been to bensonhurst and bay ridge and both were gr8 experiences and the environment was very friendly. Only problem is the parking but thats always been a problem in Brooklyn. Any time a new group of people moves into an area thier unfortunately gunna be discriminated for thier culture. When italians and irish moved into Brooklyn, some bigots discriminated against them, and now the same ignorance is happening to arabs and chinese. Very unfortunate but whacha gunna do. The guy is a woman. Did you just call me a jerkoff? You can disagree with anything I've said, but don't insult me or name call.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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Again, feel free to disagree with what I've said. Don't name call. It's rude, and it's against board rules.
My point about less white had to do with gentrification. The definition of gentrification is white, upper class people moving into neighborhoods that were poor and usually black or latino. That's not what happened to Bay Ridge, which is what i wrote in my post, when Belmont mentioned it had gentrified.
It's amusing being called a bigot here at GBB. Im usually being called a leftist/liberal here, so this makes for a nice change of pace.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Does LCN still exist in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst?
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Next I'll start posting tweets from Qanon...
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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