Why is it so hard to believe that Gotti was scared of whacking De Meo. John Veasey is a punchline to people yet it's on record that Steve Mazzone cried out of a hit against John Veasey.

Not saying Mazzone is on Gotti's level in terms of idiots lionizing him, but it stands to reason.

Aside from the Nazis, I've never heard another group of people having a streamlined method of killing. The Gemini Method.

Wasn't Anthony Senter part of the team that murdered the wrong Nicky Guido?

They both were disliked by Paul, but Gotti had Mr Neil, Demeo had Nino. Demeo brought in more money and would wipe out anyone that tried to take on his crew. Were there any crews that could have come close? At the end of the day, they had to hire within to take out Demeo let alone his whole crew.

So why did they fear DeMeo cooperating. If anything people usually fear the young and inexperienced for cooperating (senter and testa)

Castellano was a pussy and ordered to whack the entire demeo crew.I think that Roy even if would face life in prison wouldn't flip,he was old school.Pitera was more young that Demeo and killed almost 60 people got life and don't flipped .

yeah no way would Roy turn. What a waste

Not a waste at all, the guy was a demented psycho path who was making his money at least in part through kiddie porn. Guys like that with a lot of blood on their hands tend to have a short shelf life, a great example is Sam DeStefano in Chicago, he made a huge amount of money, but he was nuts. He became a liability and and he got hit in his own garage. Eventually the value of someone as a killer and an earner isn't enough, and in those days as soon as you became a liability it was lights out.

Demeo crew was made by car thiefes and drug dealers and anyway they are criminals but Castellano considered himself more like a businness man than a criminal.
DeStefano,Demeo,Spilotro and others was killed by bosses that fear media attention caused by their men,as long as they made money in silence they are good earners, but when they attract a little attention immediately the boss worried about it;at the end isn't important if you're a sociopath or worste the important is to made money in silence;DeStefano,DeMeo,Spilotro ecc was killed for this not because was sociopaths.

Regarding Gotti, it's perfectly normal to be terrified of someone. I always find it odd people disputing the issue when his own
brother was caught on wiretap addressing the issue. There is a video of Franzese talking about the worst crew (Demeos) . They were a rough crew, they were rough and everyone knew they were doing because they enjoyed it. You can here it in his tone that people gave them a wide birth. People always call Gotti a dumb ass and stupid but he clearly wasn't stupid in this case. Roy was never in a million years gonna turn informant and in there defence neither did the core of the crew Borrelli and the Twins.

He was better off getting killed. He would've been sitting in prison, he would have probably lost everything to the government. With the demise of the car ring, what would he be making big cash with?

With his crew members killed or switched to other family,Roy would had no people that would made money for him. Maybe in prison Roy could set a drug ring but he sent to max prison would be broke.

Agree 100%

How could anyone say that never in a million years some one would NOT flip.

If Gravano flipped and Massino flipped anyone is on the table.

You never know until you are tested what you are made of.

As for Gotti, being scared I don't see it
Smart enough to know when to take a pass on something doesn't make him scared.

It didn't much to get killed back then.
He killed Castallano who was the boss of bosses and just went him to his like nothing.

Most of the other guys went and hid out somewhere

It wasn't his beef why take it on when you know he has an army of killers
Besides I am sure he didn't officially refuse because that is a death sentence to refuse a hit contract by a boss.

Maybe they floated the idea and he did not bite.

i cant find the old ny news article but for along time we never could confirm on this board if senter an testa were made we found out ofiicaly from little al they were inductung in the same ceromony as little als son joey. 1987. by vic n gas. ohhh the old article was about senter having a union no show job weinto the late 90tys i forgot what year but for almost a decade sitting in prison he was on a payroll probaly making a good check.

beside valachi i think the 2 new york member to publicly flipp was vincent cafaro in 1987. then mike franzese in 89 after little al flipped in september 91 gravano was next month octo. then the flood gates of rats was released in nyc after 92.

so demeo in 1982 hadnt seen any serial killers be aloud a new life in the wpp.

That was the deal with Casso and the Gambino's
Casso would get them to take out Roy, and they would be made into the Lucheese family.

Yes Gravano opened the flood gates pretty much
I agree it was in likely

But Demeo had the goods on Castallano

So who knows what would have happened.

They W.P.P. was around and I am sure the.Feds tried getting guys to flip before Gravano

He was taken out because Castallano thought he might flip WITSEC or not.

so you think casso pulled the gemeni twins to the side and said kill roy and youll be released to me then ill get you into my family. if not big pauls gonna kill you. its a convincing argument. 1982 casso christy tics right hand man. paul vario is gone by that time to.

I think what you were referring to is union dues was paid in his name at a recycling company that his cousin owned.
For I tho k 10 years eventually he would have been able to collect a pension but some how the feds found out about it and ki-boshed it.
MORTA

Yeah thats what happened I tho k it was Decicco approached Casso and asked Casso to get the twins to take out Roy, and Casso said ok
I can get the twins to do it but then they are with me from now on.
And everyone agreed
Casso told the twins which they had no choice

If they said no they were as dead as Demeo

yes bhurst something like that. pension if he gets out at 72 in 2032 would be a nice gesture for of the murders he did for bosses. but it got snuffed out. i read the article along time ago. then theres always the other internet rumor of demeos death it was nino himself. roy only trusted him. but he was under indictemnet for killing a cop or shooting a cop plus aton of other shit and big paul wanted nino dead probaly more then anyone else besides demeo. he brought roy around got paul indicted and shot a cop and some witness. then that whole shit where he took a bullet out of himself on rikers island which made him a leh=gend in my eyes. he switched the bullet the cop shot hiim with. movie shit. gravano is on the ravenite tapes telling gotti he had a conversation with nino that paul wanted him dead and something along the lines its a good thing gotti is boss now youll live.

naked and afraid on discovery jumped the shark its trash tv on sundays now.

murder machine might be the greatest mafia book that or blood n honor crow in phillys book. need a good netflix doc on 1 or 2 i have a feeling this 100 million scorseese netflix movies is gonna be a shit sandwich. mark my words. also dont believe alot of shit he said in paint houses book the irish union guy.

I sure do miss Soprano Sunday's
Lol

i was screaming about how silvio dante should have been a small council member on game of thrones over reddit. hbo wont listen. westworld good thou.

moe u around belfast need a got. leak.

Wasn't it the sloppy dressed Walter Mack who said they would never have taken Demeo as a witness. He was just too evil. But that was said after the fact. If they could've used him against anyone in the commission case you know damn well they would've made a deal.

Now that I think about it, it isn't unlikely that Roy DeMeo would flip and the feds would take him in. Castellano had to be their number one target and DeMeo dealt directly with him. I know they had Castellano on tape but they also had Gotti on tape talking about murders and they still took Gravano in. Plus I'm sure he'd have info on plenty of other mobsters. I know he killed heaps of people but he could just lie about the body count and/or motives behind the killings just like Gravano.