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Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 02:41 PM
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fergie
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I follow this guy on YouTube as he makes a lot of sense in these times of the loony left wing pc brigade. You guys will be better placed than me on this particular incident, are things seriously getting this crazy?? https://youtu.be/TXQUAeGSVNU
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 04:28 PM
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Big companies do not have policies that are overtly racist, and all of them pledge to comply with local, state and federal laws that prohibit discrimination. But, the people who work in corporations, and make decisions, may consciously or unconsciously be racist. Starbucks is America's Great Public Wi-Fi Hotspot, Waiting Room and Communal Toilet. This would never have happened if the two guys were white.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 06:52 PM
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helenwheels
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They were there for two minutes before police were called as per the Starbucks cameras recording their entrance and the 911 call log.
I've always preferred Dunkin to Starbucks anyway because they treat all humans like the equal pieces of trash that they are.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 07:20 PM
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Its what is being reported in multiple outlets. I, like everyone else that wasn't in the Starbucks can only rely on what is being reported from reputable sources. As more detail comes out, things may change. But as of now none of the other people in the Starbucks have contradicted this time frame.
The third party they were meeting showed up while they were being arrested, and objected, as did a number of the other people in the Starbucks. Thats on the video thats all over the web.
Turnbull's point upthread about Starbucks being known for its hang out atmosphere is correct, they deliberately cultivate that. And i also agree with his assertion that this would not have happened this way if these guys were white.
What's a shame is it probably comes down to the terrible judgment of a single manager that is leading to a whole organization getting besmirched. Starbucks is promising to fix this with training, because giant corporations tend to blurt "training!" as a fix to any HR problem, but sometimes you just can't fix bad judgment.
Last edited by helenwheels; 04/19/18 07:38 PM.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 07:57 PM
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Helen, I've got great respect for you so please don't think I'm trying to argue etc (written stuff is always a bit more difficult to interprete, rather than speaking!)
I've not seen the video, but if it's the case that 2 black guys walked in, sat down straight away and were asked to leave within 2 mins for no reason, that's terrible...I just don't believe that's what happened. If it did, the female manager is obviously a raging racist, but I then wonder how she was able to manage the shop for the time before when she was in charge.
Reading between the lines, for clarity, what I'm saying is that assholes these days normally will look for ways in which they can get themselves on YouTube or whatever and, couple that with the silliness these days with "persecution" et, it's easy to set up a potential mark.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 08:13 PM
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helenwheels
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I get what your saying Fergie about the written word vs. Conversation, and i don't think you're trying to argue. We're just discussing.
I think the only sensible thing to do at this point would be to tear down all Starbucks immediately.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 08:51 PM
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Today it’s Starbucks, yesterday it was The President, the lawyer, butcher , the baker , the candlestick maker....... soon they will come for us all.
Have we not learned this lesson already, we must stop these far reaching libtards with all the petty bullshit because they want total destruction and anarchy in America.
Be Loyal, Be Loving, Be Quiet.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/19/18 09:53 PM
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My experiences with black people in New York are as follows: having a doorman aggressively ask me for a cigarette outside a bar; group of young black kids harassing me and my friend trying to sell a rap CD; a black person (can't remember if it was a doorman) jibing me and my companion unprovoked as we walked down the street; a black "comedian" making a homophobic joke towards me and my friend at a comedy show we went to; and a black server in STARBUCKS treating me extremely rudely when I asked him politely to toast me a sandwich.
I am struggling to think of a single bad interaction I had with anyone else. The closest I can think of is a French douchebag complaining because he didn't like a picture my friend took of him and his girlfriend in Rockefeller Tower.
I'm pretty open-minded. A Muslim gentleman helped me take an earring out in my hotel room after it got infected; he was a total gent about it.
My point being, maybe, just maybe, people's impressions are shaped by regular interactions with people.
I don't doubt there is racism towards black people in America, there is, but the media and race-baiters like Sharpton and Jackson, and the asinine differences in "objective" reporting as re: Obama/Trump, mean I think it's important to think rationally and personally, rather than follow an agenda-led construct.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/20/18 08:02 AM
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Today it’s Starbucks, yesterday it was The President, the lawyer, butcher , the baker , the candlestick maker....... soon they will come for us all.
Have we not learned this lesson already, we must stop these far reaching libtards with all the petty bullshit because they want total destruction and anarchy in America. Well said !
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/20/18 08:45 AM
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They were waiting for a "business meeting". The one guy I seen been arrested wasn't dressed formally. I'm on the fence. I don't know what their policy is, but from my own personal experience if I sat down in a cafe for twenty minutes without ordering anything I would expect to be asked to buy something or leave. Then again, I exercise discretion and order something first before taking a seat and having a siesta. It's 2018, not 1918. Huge business meetings have participants dressed in hoodies and jeans daily in the tech industry, among others, so I'm not sure how their attire really matters. Honestly, I don't think Starbucks racist but there was clearly a bias held by the manager there if the cops were called within minutes of these guys entering the coffee shop. Two minutes is hardly enough time to wait in line. I don't think that part can be denied if you look at the situation objectively.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/20/18 09:16 AM
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C’mon !! Everytime there is a shooting, robbery, or any other violent crime, the police and everyone else, including Operah tell you to call the police and not worry about being embarassed for jumping to conclusions. They all say its better to be safe than sorry. Suppose these guys pulled out a gun and the store manager later said they were acting suspicious but he didnt want to take action because he worried about being labeled a racist. He clearly did the right thing not only for himself but his fellow workers and the customers.
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Re: Starbucks is racist?
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04/20/18 12:03 PM
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C’mon !! Everytime there is a shooting, robbery, or any other violent crime, the police and everyone else, including Operah tell you to call the police and not worry about being embarassed for jumping to conclusions. They all say its better to be safe than sorry. Suppose these guys pulled out a gun and the store manager later said they were acting suspicious but he didnt want to take action because he worried about being labeled a racist. He clearly did the right thing not only for himself but his fellow workers and the customers. There was no crime being committed whatsoever, no weapons on the guys, so why are you talking about shootings and robberies? So you suggest people call the police every time they see a black person in order to be "better safe than sorry"? What would you suggest the parameters be? It kills me that you guys can't even admit that what happened here was racial profiling. This is a textbook example. These guys were barely in there long enough to sit down and had the cops called on them, for what exactly? And you guys are sitting here talking about their clothes, totally unrelated crimes, everything except to just admit that "Hey, maybe this was fucked up."
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