Not that I know, but can be considered associates just by default

I have heard a few names, all Mike's. Muscarella and his kid who is said to be a prick, Michael is only an associate who got back from Las Vegas in helping Penero Pieri, and Sr is in his seventies, Jr is in his 50's. Frank Grisanti kid, Frank passed away in 2011, was there for the wake. Dopey, who is an associate mid-level dealer between Buffalo and NF, but he is said to be only half Italian. The last guy is from Local 17, Mikey C, who is said to be an earner and favorite of Bifulco, who stabbed someone, collected debt payments, and serves as a go between with legitimate members of the community.

Great response... Really showed me the light...

How about instead of commenting on how bad my argument is, you can actually reply to it? Just an idea, take it or leave it.



You give people the decency? Wtf...
Your first post here was calling me delusional. On the second page, you called me "full of crap," even though I hadn't done anything that wasn't sourced.

I'll keep using the FBI as my source, because without them we wouldn't know diddly squat about the Mafia. Don't act like that isn't true. Respond to my post if you think I'm wrong.


Minor grammatical errors? RESPOND TO MY POST. They're not minor grammatical errors, they're statements by YOU about law enforcement. Am I wrong?



You've responded to my change in profile pictures, but you haven't responded to my post... What a joke...

By the way, regarding the Violi, thing:



Wait. What evidence is there that he is a part of the Buffalo family?

Nickle:
"""Looks like the mafia activity in Canada has US partnerships in NY City and where else?

Oh yeah, there it is: BUFFALO! 😂 😆 😝 LoL!

I’d say the FBI knew about Violi in March 2017 when it told the Buffalo News the Todaro Crime Family was dead, Todaro retired, and just a couple old timers left. That goes to a point I made in a previous post on this thread... sometimes they give the papers misinformation; either that at they are inept.""""
They're not inept. The Todaro crime family is not active. Violi doesn't change that.
Just because there is Mafia activity in Tampa (per the Gambinos) does not mean the Trafficante crime family is still active.
Just because there is Mafia activity in Cleveland (per Gotti's son-in-law) does not mean the Cleveland crime family is still active.
Just because there is a shit-ton of Mafia activity in Costa Rica (all of the Five Families) does not mean there is a Costa Rica crime family.
Just because there is Mafia activity in Los Angeles (per Montemarano and others) does not mean the LA family is still active.
Just because there is Mafia activity in Buffalo (per the Violi clan) does not mean the Todaro crime family is still active.
You notice a pattern?
This is not "apples and oranges." The Genoveses have operations in Springfield. That does not make them Patriarcas. The Colombo family's operations in South Florida does not make them Trafficantes either.


Correct. You're finally catching on, Rooster. You can predict my answers pretty good, but you're not exactly adept at responding to them....



The FBI has not said the Buffalo crime family is still active. Only that Violi has operations there. Which means that they have not mentioned Buffalo "simply is a title only" - it is a city. they did not name the crime family. Jesus Christ, it's like you're in sixth grade Rooster.



So we've established the FBI knew about the Violis. Good. At the same time they're denying the existence of the Buffalo mafia.
What does this mean? There are two options:
1. The Violis are not a part of the Buffalo crime family. They have branches in the city, however, as they do all over Canada and New York.
2. The FBI are conducting a grand conspiracy to deny the existence of the Buffalo mafia, which would go completely against their best interests. However, they forgot about the grand conspiracy when the mentioned the Violis.

So, either the Violis aren't a part of Buffalo (which would make a whole lot of sense), or the FBI are not only covering up the existence of a crime family, but they are also woefully inept at it. Take your pick.

Nickle, come back to reality.




Just because the feds don't understand an exact hierarchy does not mean they won't label it an active crime family. That's why that theory doesn't work.


And yet you still haven't been proven right... Go figure...
Just because the Violi clan has operations in Buffalo does not mean they are a) a part of the Todaro crime family, or b) the Todaro crime family still exists. I just thought I'd add that in again.


Luppinos maybe, but I haven't seen anything which says the Papalia crime family survived post-1997.


Bensonhurst... you confuse me...
You've been very quick to discredit the FBI, and offer theories that back up Rooster's narrative. but when Rooster's alleged sources are called into question you claim to not wanting to get involved.

You've hammered home at my on-record, sourced, linked, proven statements from LE and more, but now you're deciding not to even TOUCH Rooster's uncorrorborated, off-the-record, imaginary sources?



Bensonhurst? Does anywhere in that article say that the Violis are Buffalo crime family members?



Good one Rooster, you're comedy is wasted on this thread. Now are you going to respond to my post tearing about your imaginary beat cops, or are you going to keep making wisecracks?



Tell us all about Tony Mirra's hit list, Giacomo.

I'm assuming Rooster's first response will be along the lines of:
"Guys, Nicky's getting real mad over here, hehe"
But maybe you could skip that one for now, Roost.

Tony Mirra's hit list:

David Bowie- Ashes to Ashes
STYX- Renegade
Queen- Another One Bites the Dust
Jim Croce- Bad Bad Leroy Brown
Kansas- Dust in the Wind
Led Zeppelin- Gallows Pole
Elton John- Someone Saved my Life Tonight
Bruce Springsteen- Born to Run
Frank Sinatra- Did It My Way

As soon as you answer my question Nicky, youre not the Sheriff

And my comedy isnt wasted, because its not comedy, its reality

Your new name is Loscalzo btw....

Loscalzo, do you know anything about Tampa other than from Scott?

Giacomo....is that Paul Grisanti?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/third-local-17-member-sentenced-extortion

Union corruption alive and well in Western NY

Giacomo;

So who are you saying is Admin?

Any truth to my speculation about the power base shifting to Canada?
?

Nicky;

Bensonhurst... you confuse me...
You've been very quick to discredit the FBI,

I think what you are referring to is me saying that LE and Reporters not getting the story 100% correct.

Yes I do believe that. Not only do I believe I know for a fact that is the case.

However, it appears that the law of the land on Gangster.BB.Net is that you need to have one or the other for support you statement???

Pretty Much?
Correct?

Again was totally I see the logic behind it..
Because we need something to hang our hat one even if not 100% accurate more times than not there usually is some truth to what they are saying...

Again Nicky, in my OPINION there usually is some truth to their version of the story.
There has been times where they have been flat out wrong.....

I.E. Hoffa
I.E. Bonanno's

To name a couple.

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when Rooster's alleged sources are called into question you claim to not wanting to get involved.

Nicky, what I was saying is that:

You and Rooster were talking about facts that I knew nothing about.
(History of the local 210)

I was just saying: I do not know anything about what you guys are talking about.
As I explained:

I have NO first hand and NO second hand knowledge of Buffalo

Until I joined this forum, I than read the book DICARLO and was amazed to find out how powerful the family was...

After seeing how you some of guys are able to piece all your info together kind of like mini-researcher's I think it is really cool.

I started to try that myself and was able to find a handful of articles from Canada

I simply posted my opinion based on the research that I have done.

Canda

The FBI either did not care or knew nothing about or both in regards to the Bonnano's in Canada

Meanwhile the Bonanno Crew was so powerful they separated from the family pretty much and ran the whole Country, had a global reach.

So when the FBI, dismantled the Bonanno squad because they "THOUGHT THEY WERE DEAD" not only was

Massino able to rebuild to take over as the head of the COMMISION...

At about that same time the Bonnano Crew took over the whole CANADA.

Besides VITO RIZZUTTO and the 2017 indictments, there has NOT been one indictment linking the Bonnano's in Canada and in the U.S.

That is a major gateway that has existing for 60 years and the "FBI has UNCOVERED that the pipeline still exists"

So they though was "DEAD" they have UNCOVERED STILL EXISTS AND IS INTACT.


AGAIN WHAT THE FBI THOUGHT WAS DEAD, they have UNCOVERED STILL EXISTS AND INTACT?
Nicky, existed 60 years ago?

Was it the DEFUNCT MAGGIDINO CRIME FAMILY?

You are pointing to the article and saying well they are not listing exact rank and file it is vague

With the Bonanno's they are saying this guy is a Capo, this guy is made

But...... They have NO INTEL

WHY???

Because they have expended NO RESOURCES on them.

You have to admit that NICKY,

Why would they expend resources on a family they thought had NO RACKETS LEFT.

They have "UNCOVERED" some new FACTS, and this is PROOF that the FAMILIES including (TODARO) who they ONCE THOUGHT WERE NEIGHBORHOOD CLIQUE's

Have ONCE AGAIN EVOLVED.
ONCE AGAIN WHEH THEY THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS DEAD

it was NOT
And the families have EVOLVED.

Who? The Todaro's, the members and associates of the TODARO CRIME FAMILY.

Who else are they talking abou the FBI?

Nicky,

Who else in that indictment did they think was just a neighborhhod clique?

Who else has evolved?

They know about Bonnao's already?

They know about the Rizzuto's already?

They know the Rizzuto's are global already...

Noithing to uncover with them.

Jesus Christ... What question haven't I answered? And did you ask that question BEFORE or AFTER I sent the earlier response I'm asking you to reply to...

Yep. Do you know anything about Buffalo other than the inner reaches of your imagination?

Tell us what you know about Tampa that isnt published, thats my question

It's pretty obvious that you have nothing to gain out of posting such ridiculous, unrelated links. I'm just going to point out how of course union corruption still exists, but there is no Buffalo mob behind it, and that's that. I think what you're trying to do by posting these unrelated links is to act like you have a sense of credibility. So when newcomers to this thread look at your posts, they'll say "Wow, this guy has really sourced his stuff."

Union corruption will always be a thing. Whether or not the mob is active doesn't change that.

Public Service Announcement: Rooster has posted nothing credible that indicates the Buffalo mob is still active. He has proven the Buffalo mob was into drugs in 1990 (which I never denied), he has linked a Rochester mob boss denying being in the Mafia (which is the most laughable and stupid thing I've ever witnessed), and he's referenced amateur news blogs as if they deserve more credibility over feds, DAs, federal prosecutors, and news reporters.

We all know losing sucks, you just cant handle it like normal. Little babies dont cry as much as you do. Its ok Loscalzo, your mommy will have your bottle ready when you get home.

its ok, Coppola will come out with another article soon littered with contradictions and you can send him a letter about how much he meant to you during your thread contribution

Why? I could say the Iavarone Bros. are a lot more active than people think, but I wouldn't expect or care if anyone believed me because I know that, without reference, my words alone are no good. If people want to believe someone without any sources or references, they are fucking idiots. I mean that with every fiber of my being.
Do I expect anyone to believe me? No. Are you "delusional" if you don't believe me? No. Are you "full of crap" if you don't believe me? No. Unlike Rooster, I accept that if I give facts that aren't sourced, people probably should take it with a grain of salt.

No. I have not been in the area for a while.



Frank Bifulco and Victor Sansanese. Right now I am saying the family has no Underboss, like how San Jose was when Figlia took over for Marino when he died up to 1995 when Figlia disbanded the family. The Luppinos have always been a powerhouse, Papalia's never recovered, but since the Rizzuto and some of the Toronto groups have been having trouble this past decade, the Papalia have been slowly making moves, but not waves. As I stated before, if a member from Canada is in the administration position, it would be Dom Violi, Natale Luppino, or Bruno Monaco.

Nice, youre learning. So basically youre saying you know something about Tampa but really know nothing because you realize no one will believe you, right?

Thanks for defining the admin Giacomo

Again Nicky, now we go back to weeks ago. You dont have to believe me or anyone else, but if other people choose to you dont have to get mad and pout like youve done many, many times. Just accept it. So again, are you ready to agree to disagree or just keep going? Whatever is fine with me.

What exactly does this accomplish? Keep ignoring my post if it makes you feel better. Talk to your imaginary beat cops to brag about how you schooled some guys on a mafia forum.

You should start telling people that the earth is flat, see what happens next.

Its ok if you dont believe me....now what Loscalzo? Just keep foaming at the mouth and you pretending that your contradictory FBI articles are Gospel? Nah, I think a few of us arent falling for that. If you want to solely believe law enforcement though thats fine.

Well... no....
Read my post again...
This is basic English. Did I use words that were too big for you?
I never said I didn't know anything about Tampa. I said that what I do know isn't sourced or referenced, so I wouldn't expect anyone to believe me. Just read through my posts carefully next time, and use the dictionary for any big words you get stuck on.