yes Paul was gonna be on trial for the Commission case so that's why he didn't go to the wake. I'm not sure if Bilotti went( I dobt it considering how close he was to Paul) but that is a interesting question. Paul had no love loss for john but I doubt he did it just to say "fuck you" to John. Paul ddint think much of John although he did say on a few occasions that he had balls.

Rite.... I'm just curious cause Neil and Paul were close for a long time correct and then just to not go that says something and after the fact Persico, Amuso,Chin, and Rastelli pulled one on John and got Frank DeCicco but who did the contract go to or DeCicco

For DeCicco*

Gotti thought Paul was going to whack him and/or his crew for the violation of the no dealing rule.
Or even worse tPaul was going whack Gotti'S ego by busting he and his crew down and separating them.

Castallano was on trial with the Demeo crew and was indicted or about to get indicted for the commission case.

Whether Castallano showed to Neil's wake or not I do not think it mattered.

No Neil should have gotten promoted to boss when Don Carlo passed or that's what the majority of the family thought.
Castallano got the promotion because he was Gambino's brother in law.

The family was divided into two factions 1) The white Collar (Catalleno) 2) The Blue Collar (Dellicroce)

The family was on brink of war for a long time it it weren't for Neil's respect for the rules and the fact he was very old school there would have been a war.
That is part of the reason some of the old timers backed Gotti after the coup.

Chin and Gas plotted to whack Gotti and that was it.
Gas and some one he had hired thought Decicco was Gotti that day and that's why they blew him up.

There was no formal contract put on Gotti or his crew. There was a plot behind his back.
This was done back door and behind the scenes to make it look like Sicilians from Italy did the hit.
USA bombs were outlawed by the commission becaus it brings negative attention.

So maybe the question should have been
"Why gotti didn't retaliate"
Well Maybe he was scared of war But who really knows...

I see now ... Thanks Bensonhurst...my other question is lets say Dellacroce passes like he did and John for reason balks on the Castellano thing more or less Castellano passes for whatever reason if John would have never pulled that power move on Castellano...who would of been next boss in line for the Gambinos would somebody of been in more favor rite away after Paul is what I'm tryin to get at

Maybe it's just me but it seems like also you never heard much about Bilotti until Paul was boss right or wrong?

No
And he made a bad choice in putting him as UB

you know what i don't know if from paul prespective putting bilotti was a mistake
cause he needed a tough guy under him to bring fear and to get the guys from dellacroce faction to be loyal to him

Tommy Bilotti was a white collar guy correct that's prolly why Castellano had him close by but it was the blue collar guys that were the tough guys back then ... You woul think Gas being the way he was ruthless and what not he would of thought wow this John just whacked a boss he's got balls me an him mite have something in common but Gas never did like John correct

I dont know anything about Billotti
He was.picked becaus Castallano knew that he was going to lose atleast one of the two I cases against him and and was going to go away for life.

So Billotti was his way of controlling the family from the inside it was someone he trusted to be loyal.

Remember Ruggerio who was really really close tried to take out Gas, it was an in sanctioned hit.

Gas didn t know where Gotti stood on that hit.

Gotti should have killed Ruggerio for what he did.

Because he didn't it appeared that he either k we about or even sanctioned the hit.

Caso was he'll bent on revenge for that
That was the main reason he came after Gotti

Everyone one would have been better off had Gotti clipped Ruggerio
He died of cancer if he had the choice probably would have preferred two in the back of the head also Sammy, never knowing it was coming.

Sorry the hit on Gas was Unsanctioned by the Gambino's
At that time Gas was UB I believe of the Lucheese's

Gas killed everyone he thought was in on the hit.

He had a ton of balls bombing the Gambino social club killing there U.B.

It really is amazing with all the shit back then how the families did not go to war with each other.

All the treachery and treason back and forth


You had Gotti and c/o tried to whack out Gas, and take over the Colombo and Decav families.
Played a big part in starting the war.

You had Gas taking out Gambimbo heirarchy
You had Chin pinning up with Gas also plotting to kill Gotti

Gas killing everyone in his family...

The only one that wa.ckear was Chin.
He was chosen as boss and had his whole borgata loyal to him.

And this is why the genovese family are always the strongest
They are well organize and loyal (less then 10 rats ) and not public

I dont know anything about Billotti
He was.picked becaus Castallano knew that he was going to lose atleast one of the two I cases against him and and was going to go away for life.

So Billotti was his way of controlling the family from the inside it was someone he trusted to be loyal.

Remember Ruggerio who was really really close tried to take out Gas, it was an in sanctioned hit.

Gas didn t know where Gotti stood on that hit.

Gotti should have killed Ruggerio for what he did.

Because he didn't it appeared that he either k we about or even sanctioned the hit.

Caso was he'll bent on revenge for that
That was the main reason he came after Gotti

Everyone one would have been better off had Gotti clipped Ruggerio
He died of cancer if he had the choice probably would have preferred two in the back of the head ala Sammy, never knowing it was coming.

Yes
The rats take the admin off the streets and they are forced to put anyone in an admin position and that effects the whole family.

They have been effected less by rats no doubt.

The Gambino's have been real good with rats lately as well.
They have really stabilized their leadership

The Sicilians have kept everything under ground.
The Gambino's hot hurt with S
Sammy after that they had a bunch of rats

After that died down they have been pretty good I think

I don't think Bilotti was @ the wake...we would know the details by now..

@Bensonhurst...in your opinion do you think a family is better off having Zips in the administration based on people flipping since the Gambinos have had Sicilians at the top for some time now

Castellano was on trial with the Demeo crew
And either got indicted or was about to get indicted on the commission case

No way he was beating two separate cases
Against the feds back then
The cases the feds brought were tight they would build them for many years back then

now a days they have a rat or two and just over charge and indict
As a defendant if you go to trial and lose you will get 40 years

They will offer a plea deal to you for maybe 5-6 years.

So you have to be CRAZY to take that chance

I think Johns mind was made up way before Neil died and Paul did not show up to the funeral

That was a blatant show of disrespect at that time the family was divided into two factions and for the old timers, not showing up to the funeral turned alot of them off, this was the perfect time for Gotti to strike

As Paul'a popularity at that point was probably the lowest it ever was.

I don't think Paul got killed because he did not show up to the funeral
It was the perfect excuse for Gotti to make his move.

Not sure about Billotti showing up to the wake

Sonny I think so
Admin hasn-t been touched in probably 10 years.
You also are not seeing bull shit petty nickel and dime rackets being exposed.
When was the last major Gambino indictment that did any sort of damage to the family.

Who was the last rat that hurt them?

Nobody really even knows what they are up to and who really is the boss?
It keeps changing...

Maybe they are rotating to keep the heat off
If that's the plan it appears to be working...

Bensonhurst I totally agree with you now would you say the Gambinos last major blow to them was back in 2011 on the Mafia Take Down bullshit the Feds pulled ?

btw where were chicago in all of this ?
and another question :
did the chin knew paul and gotti had a beef and paul is planning on whack him ? i guess he did, so why wouldn't he help paul kill him faster and be over with it ?
i can only think he knew paul is about to get a life in prison so he didn't care, and he didn't ever think john would have the balls to whack a boss.
it's funny that with the castellano hit there is an never ending questions haha

Sonny,

Yeah you are right 2011 they took out the boss the u.b. and a couple of captains.

Vernace was taken off the streets for good and trucchio got 10 year
Corrozzo got like 5 years I think

That was definitely a hit

I don't think that was a MAJOR hit

I see....now this bust occurred when the Gambinos shifted to the Zips and had Italian Dom as AB am I correct and then some years after that we were all introduced to Frankie Boy Cali.... As much as I love seeing an American born mob boss succeed im starting to realize that the Zips are much more dependable as for keeping your mouth shut.

I know this is kinda off the topic but real quick I've always been curious in the movie American Gangster when Frank Lucas was dealing with the Italians and Heroin who was Armand Assante suppose to be portraying in real life or was his character not based off of anybody in real life?

I'm pretty sure he was based on Carmine Tramunti

Ok I see so Frank Lucas had a relationship with the Luccheses and not the Gambinos

Sonny I don't remember the last ZIP that flipped??
Do you?

No I agree....now I'm curious if there is even enough Zips to even maybe put a list together of all that has... But I do agree I can't not think of any to be honest

Of just the Zips
Probably more unknown than known

I agree I would of never contemplated that If you hadn't of said that haha