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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: Lou_Para]
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03/28/18 06:52 PM
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I don't think it would have made any difference,since Salerno was only the "front boss" who served to deflect the heat off of the Chin,who was the actual Boss of the Genovese Family. This was an open secret in the New York Mafia,and if Gotti wasn't afraid of the Chin,he sure as heck wasn't going to be afraid of Fat Tony. This only serves to show how blatantly stupid and arrogant Gotti was. He really believed that once he became Boss,no other Family would dare make a move on him. If not for a very lucky coincidence, Gotti would have been blasted into the phantom zone. Don't some say that Lombardi was still the official boss of the Genovese up until his death and Gigante wasn't the de facto boss until late 80s?
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
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03/28/18 07:50 PM
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If Gotti etc weren't afraid of Chin I don't think they would have been afraid of Fat Tony. And if Fat Tony was still on the street I don't think it would have made much difference. Gotti already had the Genovese and Luchese family gunning for him. I don't think it would have made any difference,since Salerno was only the "front boss" who served to deflect the heat off of the Chin,who was the actual Boss of the Genovese Family. This was an open secret in the New York Mafia,and if Gotti wasn't afraid of the Chin,he sure as heck wasn't going to be afraid of Fat Tony. This only serves to show how blatantly stupid and arrogant Gotti was. He really believed that once he became Boss,no other Family would dare make a move on him. If not for a very lucky coincidence, Gotti would have been blasted into the phantom zone. Don't some say that Lombardi was still the official boss of the Genovese up until his death and Gigante wasn't the de facto boss until late 80s? Don't know who says that but Vincent Cafaro testified that in 1981 Salerno had a stroke and was taken down as boss and Lombardo retired leaving Chin as the official boss.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: Lou_Para]
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03/28/18 11:44 PM
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[quote=Lou_Para]I don't think it would have made any difference,since Salerno was only the "front boss" who served to deflect the heat off of the Chin,who was the actual Boss of the Genovese Family. This was an open secret in the New York Mafia,and if Gotti wasn't afraid of the Chin,he sure as heck wasn't going to be afraid of Fat Tony. This only serves to show how blatantly stupid and arrogant Gotti was. He really believed that once he became Boss,no other Family would dare make a move on him. If not for a very lucky coincidence, Gotti would have been blasted into the phantom zone. Don't some say that Lombardi was still the official boss of the Genovese up until his death and Gigante wasn't the de facto boss until late 80s? My understanding is that Lombardo stepped down around 1981 or so and named Chin Boss and then Chin named Salerno as front Boss. From what I heard on the streets & know back in those days when I was a heavy hitter( no pun intended)...Benny Eggs had Alot 2 say & do around 79...80..etc..this guy was/is no joke...he may have settled down now that he way fuckin'old....but my old friend Salvie Testa swore by him..2. say the least, he (Benny Eggs) oversaw when Nicky became boss,,keeping everyone @ bay .
I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: BensonHURST]
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03/29/18 02:08 AM
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That's what I read Salerno was retired and Chin put him back as front boss
Nowhere have a I read of any NY guys being scared of Tony Chin yes nothing about Tony
If they made the move knowing at the time chin was the commission enforcer And basically said FU to him
I don't think Tony would have made any difference
I always wondered why is Chin was really all that powerful why he didn't just put a formal hit on Gotti
he did it back door behind the sceeens almost like he was afraid
He used Gas as the fall guy
After the Car bombing and the death of Frankie DeCicco in 86 , It became almost impossible to get to John Gotti only bc the FBI was on him 24/7. Remember that guy that took a shot at Gotti outside the Bergin and was later found in a body bag in a candy store on Staten Island ? The guy who took the shot at Gotti was tied to the Genovese family thru a relation. Bobby Boriello was said to have shot the triggerman after he missed Gotti. Gotti was to well protected by the FBI and was on high alert after these two failed attempts on him. That is when the Genovese started killing Gotti's guy's (Lino , Boriello) . Then in the late 80's Bobby Manna was trying to kill John and Gene and was convicted for it. John gets arrested in 1990 and now he was impossible to get to. Truth is Gotti was saved by the FBI or he would of been murdered also.
wise old owl sat on a oak , the more he heard the less he spoke , the less he spoke the more he heard , wasn't that a wise ole bird.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: hoodlum]
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03/30/18 05:07 PM
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When the Philly guys killed a boss Look what happens to them.
The Philly guys had it comin' U kill a boss u get it next.. They killed the boss with the Genovese boss's authorization. If somebody theoretically should have had it coming, it would have been Tieri, Gigante and whoever else did sanction it. Caponigro and the other Philly guys were just tools cleverly played by the Genovese.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: BensonHURST]
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03/30/18 08:12 PM
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My point was more with Chin
I was saying I have heard so many times Gotti was scared of Chin
I am saying if you think about it
Chinn and his crew were the commission(s) enforcer(s)
When the Philly guys killed a boss for whatever the reason was look how Chin did them. When Gotti and crew killed the "BOSS of BOSSES" look how Chin handled the situation.
To me it seemed like Chin was scared to take on the Gotti crew directly.
Does anyone agree with this? I agree with your logic but isn’t the only reason we know the Genovese were involved because Phil L flipped? So at the time they weren’t openly involved. I don’t think he was really scared of Gotti it was more fear of what happens when you openly kill a NY boss..... Killing a NY Boss is different then killing the Philadelphia Boss.... Would the Gambinos try to retaliate? What would happen to the rackets that were shared? How much heat would it bring from the feds? Would the guy who actually did it flip? Plus it sets the president that it is okay to openly kill a NY Boss.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: BensonHURST]
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03/31/18 07:40 AM
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Chinn and his crew were the commission(s) enforcer(s)
When the Philly guys killed a boss for whatever the reason was look how Chin did them. When Gotti and crew killed the "BOSS of BOSSES" look how Chin handled the situation.
To me it seemed like Chin was scared to take on the Gotti crew directly.
Does anyone agree with this?
I doubt Chin feared anyone, maybe Gotti was just very cautious. And how would they kill Gotti anyway? The FBI and the reporters were all over Gotti. Maybe that was why Gotti seemed to live his life in the public eye, opposite of the way Chin lived. Are they going to shoot someone knowing he's probably being followed by cops and reporters?
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: BensonHURST]
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04/01/18 04:49 AM
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Why didn't Gotti ever take a shot at Chin or anyone else from the Westside ? , Why did the FBI tell Gotti that his life was in jeopardy ? Accounts of Gotti's reaction to being told this was absolute fear. Bobby Manna"s crew was caught on tape plotting to murder John and Gene Gotti and no retaliation? Castellano was killed bc Gotti thought that Paul was going to strike first yet when the threat came from the WS Gotti did nothing about it. Chin had Casso doing hits for him , why open him self up to any indictments when u can have some one else take the heat ? Chin out thought and out classed Gotti in all matters LCN. Never heard Chin's voice on any wire tap. Gotti's caught on tape admitting to Murders ! Danny Marino and Jimmy Brown were conspiring with Chin and Frankie DeCicco had told Gravano that we will give Gotti a year and if he don't work out we will clip him. That being said I will give Gotti respect for doing what he felt he needed to do with Paul. Paul was no Chin.
wise old owl sat on a oak , the more he heard the less he spoke , the less he spoke the more he heard , wasn't that a wise ole bird.
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Re: fat tony and the castellano hit
[Re: MeyerLansky]
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04/01/18 09:22 PM
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Gotti made some mistakes However, the feds spent $100,000,000. "ONE HUNDRED MILLION" to take down Gotti.
Thats.more then spent on a few small.wars over throwing goat's.
No one could with stand that amount of resources.
He got caught on tape in an apartment that he 1) Had swept for bugs 2) in an apartment that the feds didn t know about for over 50 year.
He shouldn't have spoke about the.murders.
That was all the evidence that had besides Sammy.
My point is he want a babling idiot it was an error judgement on his part. Yt? 5
Castallano, Ducks, Langella, Persico they all were caught on tape.
Chin should have let Gas kill Pete Savino Or he should have
That was chins mistake and because of that mistake the feds were able to build the windows case. That case brought down Chin, Gas and Amuso amoung others.
Who else did Gotti'S tape bring down? Locasio?
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