Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by NickyfromTampa


Rooster in the following legal document you will see that Louis P. Ciminelli served as a trustee for mob controlled LIUNA Local 210 and was named in a RICO suit along with Leonard Falzone and numerous other Buffalo soldiers and associates.
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I think that's Rooster's point. But it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a former mobbed-up construction exec is still committing relatively standard-level scams in the 21st century. If there was an organized crime or mob tie there, I'd be interested, but the fraud charges aren't connected to the Buffalo mafia.


Agreed there is not enough evidence to prove a mob connection with Ciminelli today. Probably never will be. Just like they never proved any illegal activity for Joe or Joe Jr. Todaro. To use your logic there were just good businessmen that ran into mobsters because they were Italian and had a business on the Italian West-side. There are many people who deny the Todaro's (especially Joe Jr.) were ever part of Cosa Nostra-because it has never been proven.


Well, no, that's not my logic at all.
The feds directly said Joe Todaro Sr. and Jr. were the boss and underboss of the Buffalo mob, aka the Todaro crime family, and were involved in murder, loansharking, gambling, etc. Some mobsters have never been convicted of crimes, but we know they are mobsters because there is evidence that they are mobsters.
Ciminelli was never linked to any sort of mob ties since his union days. Remember that until the mid-to-late 90s, the mob dominated Local 210, and Local 210 dominated the construction scene. If a guy was a bigwig construction exec in the 80s and 90s, there is a distinct likelihood he was associated with OC. I'd be more surprised if there were no construction execs today with ties to the mob in the 80s and 90s.