Originally Posted by Moscone65

And there's tons of money to be made in buffalo, most of it from things like drug money or even into "legitimate" things, which Buffalo guys have long been entrenched in unions and the like.

The unions were declared mob-free in 2006. Since then there has been no allegations of mob activity in the unions.
Also, unless someone can prove me wrong, the Buffalo mafia was never big in the drug business and never got close to controlling it.
"It's not that the mob wasn't involved in drugs," says one former law enforcement official. "It's just that it never bothered to try to control it." - http://buffalonews.com/2002/09/13/as-nicoletti-saga-resumes-new-charges-of-bookmaking/

Originally Posted by The_Rooster

Mob murders are further and further apart in all the big cities. How do you have any idea about any threats or beatings that happen in Buffalo or who is scared of who? At this point you are also speculating upon other speculations.


They are further and further apart, but still extraordinarily more frequent than Buffalo. And (compared to Buffalo) there are still a shitton of beatings and assaults that happen via the mob in NY and elsewhere.

Originally Posted by The_Rooster

How do you have any idea about any threats or beatings that happen in Buffalo or who is scared of who? At this point you are also speculating upon other speculations.


If wiseguys in Buffalo are under law enforcement scrutiny like you say they are, yet there is still violence going on in the streets on behalf of the mob, there would be busts. It's as simple as that. It's simply not possible for LE to be so inept that they are thoroughly surveilling and investigating mobsters involved in regular violence or extortion, yet they haven't made a bust in 15+ years. That is not speculation, that's logic.

Originally Posted by The_Rooster

Yes, all of us have reasons. The rackets arent diminished as you state, many of the things you state arent reality


Well give me some evidence otherwise. Oh wait... there is none.

Originally Posted by The_Rooster

Why do young guys want to join the Hells Angels?


MC clubs are a different ballgame. The Mafia is a money-making enterprise at its heart of which certain friendships, connections and cultures arise. The Hells Angels are an enterprise based on comradere and friendship between criminals, and the youths of the organization join it for companionship (in my opinion). Money-making comes as a byproduct of all this.