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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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Nicki any Italians left in Tampa? Not really in the city anymore. Suburbs there are a few, but not a sizeable enough amount to house a Mafia family or any decent-sized crew.
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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The last Italian ghetto is Staten Island and maybe parts of N.J. on a smaller scale.
What about Howard Beach and Ozone Park? They're gone too?
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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Just some food for thought, population doesn't necessarily mean numbers in terms of mobsters. Sure it's usually the case like in new York, but then you got places like Scranton-pittston with a decent amount of Italians but by no means tons of them, and they had a powerful family. Meanwhile you got places like Argentina or Sao Paulo in Brazil which has millions of Italians that started coming at the end of the 1800's, but no real Italian mob families, except maybe a little, more recent ndrangheta activity. It's more about their surroundings and what part of Italy they are from. Most Italian Argentines were from the north, so that could explain it. Places like Pittston, Tampa, new Orleans, st Louis, ect have smaller Italian populations, but they were mostly Sicilian, hence why there were families. I'm not saying all sicilians are mobsters, but they are more often in the mob than northerners.
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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According to the NIAF there was 161, 000 Italians in Tampa/St. Pete in 1990. Nicky can you please provide proof that there is not a sizable Italian population there or why those numbers would then lead you to believe a crew could not exist. Not saying your wrong, just you said there is not many Italians, which is shown by the NIAF to not be the case. Thanks ahead.
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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I will preface this by saying I don't live in Tampa anymore, I lived there 15 years, give or take and I last visited in 2016. I don't want to say where I live now online. I calculated according to Wikipedia in 2010: Pinellas County: 6.2% of total population Hillborough County: 4.7% of total population There is also less Italian culture in Tampa nowadays when compared to New York, Jersey, Buffalo, etc. East Ybor was a minor exception to that rule from what I can remember. Also, I asked a friend who lives in Hernando Beach which I think is officially part of the Tampa Metro who says that Italian culture is still "alive and well in Hernando, but nothing like back in Jersey."
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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So basically we are to believe numbers from an internet website that allows everyone to edit, and if we were to believe it then that would bring the Italian population in Tampa Bay Metro to 100k, which would be sufficient for a "decent sized" Mafia crew, if we used population as metrics and then we are suppose to believe a guy from Hernando Beach which is actually 50 miles from Tampa that the Italian culture there is alive and well? Im not being sarcastic, Im just hoping you can cite some more credible sources.
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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So basically we are to believe numbers from an internet website that allows everyone to edit, and if we were to believe it then that would bring the Italian population in Tampa Bay Metro to 100k, which would be sufficient for a "decent sized" Mafia crew, if we used population as metrics and then we are suppose to believe a guy from Hernando Beach which is actually 50 miles from Tampa that the Italian culture there is alive and well? Im not being sarcastic, Im just hoping you can cite some more credible sources. The info is from the 2010 census, it is sourced. There are a bunch of sources out there on the Italian-American population from the census. This is not a "secret society," this is simple demographics. According to this website, https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Florida/Ancestry, 6.22% of people in Hillsborough County are of Italian ancestry, and Pinellas is 8.49%. In New York, 32.3% percent of Richmond/Staten Island are of Italian ancestry. 27.4% of the population in Suffolk County are of Italian ancestry. Nassau County is 21.5%. Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn are all around 6%, but most wiseguys don't live in the urban centers anymore. Another good way to look at how prominent Italian culture plays a part in Tampa would be to look at the Italian-speaking population. In Hillsborough County, 0.1% of people speak Italian at home, and in Pasco county it is 0.3% https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Overview.In New York, for comparison, 2.60% of people speak Italian at home in Staten Island, 1.04% in Brooklyn, 1.21% in Queens, 0.64% in Manhattan. In Westchester it is 2.23%, Nassau is 1.87%, Suffolk is 1.11%. So, even though Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan have roughly the same or slightly less Italian-Americans/Americans of Italian ancestry as Hillsborough and Pinellas, about 6-10 times as many people speak Italian at home. In Richmond, Nassau, Suffolk & Westchester (where most Italian-Americans who work in the city reside nowadays) the numbers are far, far, far higher. Also, Hernando Beach is officially part of the Tampa Metro area, which is what the website you cited (niaf.org) was measuring. So yes, it is relevant. And yes, of course 100k people is enough for a "decent sized Mafia crew," even if there were only 30 Italian-Americans there would be enough for a "decent-sized" Mafia crew. But compared to other parts of the United States where there is a large Mafia presence, Tampa dwarfs in comparison.
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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So there is a lot of Italians in Tampa Bay Metro? and Hernando Beach is the most Italian part of the metro? And when using population of Italians as a metric, they could have a "decent sized" Mafia crew?
Because in your post it states-
"Not really in the city anymore. Suburbs there are a few, but not a sizeable enough amount to house a Mafia family or any decent-sized crew."
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Re: Lucchese Family administration
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So there is a lot of Italians in Tampa Bay Metro? and Hernando Beach is the most Italian part of the metro? And when using population of Italians as a metric, they could have a "decent sized" Mafia crew?
Because in your post it states-
"Not really in the city anymore. Suburbs there are a few, but not a sizeable enough amount to house a Mafia family or any decent-sized crew."
Good point. I should have phrased it differently. Compared to New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and other states with a large Mafia presence, the Italian-American presence in Tampa is scarce. But compared to the rest of America, it has a decent amount of Italians.
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