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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I think he could be telling the truth. He was close to Hoffa, and was an associate of Buffalino. That makes it entirely possible he was the one who clipped him, IMHO. I read his book, the parts about Hoffa seem plausible to me because there are none of the outrageous claims about Giants Stadium or any of that bullshit.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I also believe he claimed to be in on the Galante hit (Believe it was Sonny Black, Big Trin, Whack Whack and someone else. I think Sonny was the getaway driver).....I could be mistaken that with the Gallo hit BUT, it seems that he wants to claim responsibility for all hits that went unsolved.
Luparelli already claimed responsibility for the Gallo hit I believe and ran to California and the feds for protection.
I also wonder about the Irish guy who did hits for the Genovese. He claimed to be at the meeting with Chin, Fat Tony and, Tieri. I take this with a grain of salt....The Genovese were too smart to trust such a huge hit to a non-member of the family. Who knows?
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I read Charles Brandt's book and I found the story very plausible. You think it can be made into a good film? I know thats not easy to answer. Was he more with irish mob or Italians?
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I read Charles Brandt's book and I found the story very plausible. Was he more with irish mob or Italians? He was a very loyal hitman/enforcer for Russell Bufalino, who always told him that he should've been Italian. Which implies that he definitely would've made Sheeran if he was Italiano..
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I also wonder about the Irish guy who did hits for the Genovese. He claimed to be at the meeting with Chin, Fat Tony and, Tieri. I take this with a grain of salt....The Genovese were too smart to trust such a huge hit to a non-member of the family. Who knows? Is the guy John Sullivan? Says he got hits ordered by Fat Tony. Theres also a guy name of Donald " Tony the Greek " Frankos who says he was a mob hitman and that Sullivan passed Fat Tonys hits to him. Guess what, he also claims to have done the Hoffa hit. " I pumped two slugs into Hoffa's forehead " Anyone read his book : contract killer : the explosive story of the mafias most notorious hitman. Thers also another alleged mob hitman. A Jewish guy known only as "Joey the hitman ". He also has a book and was an fbi informant. Both he and Frankos write about the Colombos & Gallo gang. Joey set himself up to be killed so his sister could get the life insurance. He was dying.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Before he got the author to buy into his story, Sheeran tried to get a book deal based on his story that Nixon had Hoffa killed: http://gangsterreport.com/killing-jimmy-hoffa/Also, his claim as to where Hoffa was killed has been investigated and refuted: http://gangsterreport.com/sheeran-zerill...o-licatas-home/As for the Gallo hit, after all of the problems that Gallo caused over the years, do you really think that an insult directed at Bufalino, the Boss of Northeast PA, caused him to finally get hit? That makes no sense, Bufalino was a power but I doubt that he had the clout to finally get Gallo hit, basically on the spot, because of an insult. I also think that Capeci has backed off of his support of Sheeran's story on the Gallo hit. He obviously had some axes to grind in the book and wanted to get one last shot in against people like Tony Pro, who he really did not like. He even said that he was getting ready to hit Tony Pro, a Genovese capo, before the Hoffa hit was ordered, which would have been an immediate death sentence for him and maybe even Bufalino. He also clearly thought that Bufalino was God, which is a little much, as the man was powerful but not on the level of a Genovose boss or a Chicago boss. From what I remember he did admit that the final say so for the hit came after the Genovese and Chicago made some type of deal as to the Teamsters leadership. Make of it what you will, but good for the author for getting people in Hollywood to think that the story will make a good film, after all that is what matters, right?
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Thers also another alleged mob hitman. A Jewish guy known only as "Joey the hitman ". He also has a book and was an fbi informant.
Both he and Frankos write about the Colombos & Gallo gang.
Joey set himself up to be killed so his sister could get the life insurance. He was dying. Shit I remember reading this way back. Joey Black. Was his true identity ever revealed?
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I read Charles Brandt's book and I found the story very plausible. Was he more with irish mob or Italians? He was a very loyal hitman/enforcer for Russell Bufalino, who always told him that he should've been Italian. Which implies that he definitely would've made Sheeran if he was Italiano.. There were some connections to the Westies I think via John Francis, ex-IRA.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Genovese would have had him killed for shooting gallo in matt horses place. The guy yac was a high ranking member. Unless the west side give their ok. I am sure that whoever actually did the shooting, the Westside okayed the hit. I just really doubt that the reason why Gallo was finally hit was because he insulted Russell Bufalino earlier that night.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Genovese would have had him killed for shooting gallo in matt horses place. The guy yac was a high ranking member. Unless the west side give their ok. I am sure that whoever actually did the shooting, the Westside okayed the hit. I just really doubt that the reason why Gallo was finally hit was because he insulted Russell Bufalino earlier that night. I agree that couldn't be the only reason. But I get the impression Sheeran didn't tell the whole truth he still protected some guys I think.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Yaeh i dont believe him. The gallo thing was solved. It was that guy yacovelli and his crew.they were never charged thou. No doubt a local guy called to the restaurant with in minutes not hours and most likely from the Colombo's like Pmac posted.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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The fact that his last words on his death bed about Hoffa is the climatic point in the book and whether true or not cannot really be co fimred only by the ones that were there. The new movie the Irishman should be excellent being that Scorsese is doing it and he is following the book I heard you paint houses. https://youtu.be/bxLTNBLs6co
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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Genovese would have had him killed for shooting gallo in matt horses place. The guy yac was a high ranking member. Unless the west side give their ok. Matty was most likely the one who placed the call to the Colombo's for the hit to go down. They were all in different families, but these guys know each other in these neighborhoods unlike today , back then as a male you spent from morning till night on the street . Everyone knew Gallo had to go and Matty was all in when he made the call to the Colombo's.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I can't remember but in the devito/ Nicholson HOFFA biopic who did the film say was behind the disappearance / murder?
If memory serves me,the final scenes are Hoffa pulling away from the restaurant. This scenario seems to be the truth according to all versions I've read.
Tony Pro and/or some Detroit guy called Giacolone (??) being responsible was the version i first read.
But what did the Hoffa film say?
Haven't seen the movie in 20 odd years but it was a goodish film, had to watch it a couple of times to appreciate it though Would have been better if that ugly dwarf De Vito didn't write his character as a tough guy in it.
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Re: Frank Sheeran: is he another Kuklinski?
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I am sure that whoever actually did the shooting, the Westside okayed the hit. I just really doubt that the reason why Gallo was finally hit was because he insulted Russell Bufalino earlier that night.
We will never really know at this late date, but I think it's possible. Why not? Buffalino was a boss. Do you think the Colombos were going to go to bat for Joey Gallo after he started a war?
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