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What's the state of OC in Rome ? #917773
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Since the Mafia Capitale trial just wrapped up ( https://www.ft.com/content/4cf9b6de-6d5f-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa ) , I thought it would be appropriate to kick off a thread about the state of the Roman organized crime scene in 2017 .

So which groups currently occupy the top shelf in the Roman OC scene ? Has the OC landscape changed much since this article ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...r-10473773.html ) came out ?

Also is it possible that some of the homegrown crime syndicates in Rome have better political connections than ( say ) their Southern Italian counterparts ? I mean quite a few former members of the Magliana gang are still said to be involved in OC activity and it's said that they had good links with various secret service agencies during their heyday .


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Few members from magliana are still around,they did have connections with secret service mostly people from P2,they did dirty work for them.

One of the top people in Rome is Sicilian,i forgot his name.I have no idea why there is no Sicilian Mafia on this map.'Ndrangheta has biggest presence in Rome followed by Camorra,Sicilian Mafia has bigger presence in Milan.


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Strax, Giovanni De Carlo aka The Billionaire.

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I was expecting you are going to know,thanks a lot!


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In the Rome beach town Ostia you have cosa nostra families like Fasciani, D’Agati and Triassi who are related to Cun trera-Caruana. Roma also has some powerful gypsy clans like Casamonica, Di Silvio, Di Gugliemo, Di Rocco, Spada and Spinelli.


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In the Rome beach town Ostia you have cosa nostra families like Fasciani, D’Agati and Triassi who are related to Cun trera-Caruana. Roma also has some powerful gypsy clans like Casamonica, Di Silvio, Di Gugliemo, Di Rocco, Spada and Spinelli.


The Casamonicas are gypsies ? Interesting I thought they were of Abruzzese origin ( if my memory serves correct ) .

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Also is Massimo Carminati really such a living legend ? I mean I did a bit of reading on him and it's alleged that he had connections with the CIA and also that he was the main liaison between the Magliana gang and the Italian secret services .

Yet at the same time one gets the feeling that the fellow is just a former terrorist associate of the Magliana gang who grew a bit big for his boots . Then again he received a ( some say ) light sentence for the Mafia Capitale affair so I suppose his alleged mojo may have come into play .

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In the Rome beach town Ostia you have cosa nostra families like Fasciani, D’Agati and Triassi who are related to Cun trera-Caruana. Roma also has some powerful gypsy clans like Casamonica, Di Silvio, Di Gugliemo, Di Rocco, Spada and Spinelli.


The Casamonicas are gypsies ? Interesting I thought they were of Abruzzese origin ( if my memory serves correct ) .



You're right, they arrived from Pescara in the Capital in the 70s. But they are of Sinti origin. According to police they have about 1000 members, allies are the 'Ndrangheta and Casalesi.


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Originally Posted By: 2a

Also is Massimo Carminati really such a living legend ? I mean I did a bit of reading on him and it's alleged that he had connections with the CIA and also that he was the main liaison between the Magliana gang and the Italian secret services .

Yet at the same time one gets the feeling that the fellow is just a former terrorist associate of the Magliana gang who grew a bit big for his boots . Then again he received a ( some say ) light sentence for the Mafia Capitale affair so I suppose his alleged mojo may have come into play .


It's difficult to say who controls OC in Rome, because it's an open city. Carminati is described as the dominus of the most profitable area, the center and the good neighborhoods of North Rome. They say that his strength would be above all in the ability to solve problems. His name is whispered with fear across the underworld.


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BTW I have high expectations of Suburra on Netflix, director Stefano Sollima is also responsibe for Gomorrah.


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Originally Posted By: Hollander
BTW I have high expectations of Suburra on Netflix, director Stefano Sollima is also responsibe for Gomorrah.


Wow did not know about this one,thanks a lot for info!

Btw: you should watch "Romanzo criminale – La serie" if you didn't its amazing series about magliana,same director.


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Are those ex Magliana gang members that are still around members of criminal organizations or are they just freelancers ? Also are there any homegrown non Roma/immigrant crime groups in Rome ?

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Originally Posted By: 2a

Are those ex Magliana gang members that are still around members of criminal organizations or are they just freelancers ? Also are there any homegrown non Roma/immigrant crime groups in Rome ?


banda della magliana doesn't exist anymore there are ex members still active but the gan gone at the beginning of the 1990s, the crime in rome is dominated by southern italian mafias (cosa nostra, ndrangheta, camorra) and by gypsy clans (casamonica, spada and others)
there are some other independent gang like the cordaro's, but they are sicilians, not from rome

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Originally Posted By: m2w
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Are those ex Magliana gang members that are still around members of criminal organizations or are they just freelancers ? Also are there any homegrown non Roma/immigrant crime groups in Rome ?


banda della magliana doesn't exist anymore there are ex members still active but the gan gone at the beginning of the 1990s, the crime in rome is dominated by southern italian mafias (cosa nostra, ndrangheta, camorra) and by gypsy clans (casamonica, spada and others)
there are some other independent gang like the cordaro's, but they are sicilians, not from rome



Same goes for whole North Italy,dominated by south italian mafias,some cities have their homegrown gangs but they get eliminated by police in few years,or get sucked in by south italian mafia groups

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Same goes for whole North Italy,dominated by south italian mafias,some cities have their homegrown gangs but they get eliminated by police in few years,or get sucked in by south italian mafia groups


yes, but in north italy there are several foreign gangs too

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Yeah. Nigerian, Chinese, Russian, Albanian and Romanian groups are all operating in Rome.


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There's also a new film about Mafia Capitale by Massimo Scaglione.



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On 20 February 2014, confirming the suspicion of investigations, there are statements made in the courtroom before the court of assise of Rome by Gaspare Spatuzza, regent of the Brancaccio family, who arrived in Ostia in 1995 and later became a collaborator of justice. He had been sent to the capital to "solve a problem": he should have killed the tops of the Triassi family of Agrigento to facilitate the climb of the Fasciani-Spada allies of Cosa Nostra. But Spatuzza fell into office, once he learned that the Triassis were linked to the powerful Caruana-[BadWord] clan. "It was a transplanted Corleonesi in Rome telling me that in Ostia were the bosses and they had to be eliminated," said the repentant. He thought about it, asked for advice to another godfather and decided to give up. The result was that, according to the prosecution, after a dozen years, between Triassi and Fasciani there was a pact of non-belligerence with a lot of splitting of affairs on the coast.


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A 39-year-old man, Alberto Ianna, was shot dead last night on the balcony of a condominium in the Casal Bruciato area in Rome. The man would have a record for drugs. There could be a settlement of accounts behind the murder, it seems that the man was in the company of a woman. The woman, heard by the investigators, said she did not remember the moments of the ambush.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
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In the Rome beach town Ostia you have cosa nostra families like Fasciani, D�Agati and Triassi who are related to Cun trera-Caruana. Roma also has some powerful gypsy clans like Casamonica, Di Silvio, Di Gugliemo, Di Rocco, Spada and Spinelli.


The Casamonicas are gypsies ? Interesting I thought they were of Abruzzese origin ( if my memory serves correct ) .



You're right, they arrived from Pescara in the Capital in the 70s. But they are of Sinti origin. According to police they have about 1000 members, allies are the 'Ndrangheta and Casalesi.


Most gypsies are criminals.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rome-beachside-mafia-blitz-idUSKBN1FE16U

Italian police arrest 31 in Rome beachside mafia blitz

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Carminati trial asked in 'Middle World' (3)
Also Il Tempo editor Chiocci, Mokbel, 18 others

(ANSA) - Rome, January 24 - Rome prosecutors on Wednesday requested the indictment of former rightist militant and ex-gangster Massimo Carminati, former rightist Gennaro Mokbel and rightwing Il Tempo newspaper editor Gian Marco Chiocci in the third tranche of a probe into political-business racketeering in the Italian capital dubbed 'Middle World'. Another 18 indictment requests were also made. Chiocci is accused of aiding and abetting, judicial sources said.
The 21 defendants are not accused of mafia association - a charge that was also dropped in the main tranche of the case which reached a first verdict last summer.
The main part of a probe reached verdicts on July 20.
The case was first dubbed 'Capital Mafia' but then renamed, after mafia charges were dropped, after Carminati's nickname for the demi-monde he operated in.
The former gangster and ex-member of the NAR right-wing terrorist group was found guilty by a Rome court over allegations he was part of an organisation that muscled in on city contracts worth millions.
He was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Another ringleader of the so-called Capital Mafia, leftwing cooperatives chief Salvatore Buzzi, got 19 years.
The accusation of mafia association was scrubbed for 19 of the 46 defendants in the so-called Capital Mafia case, including ringleaders Carminati and Buzzi, by the ruling.
Carminati said he was "satisfied" with the 20-year sentence.
Carminati did not get a longer term, 28 years, because the charge of mafia association was scrubbed.
Carminati said "now they must immediately remove me from 41 bis", referring to the tough prison regime for mafiosi.
Carminati's lawyer Giosue' Naso said the judges said "the mafia doesn't exist in Rome, as we've been saying for 30 months".
He said that, despite this, the verdicts were "absurdly and unusually severe".
He said Rome Chief Prosecutor Giuseppe Pignatone was "certainly the beaten one", adding "I don't know if there are any winners".
Capital Mafia prosecutor Paolo Ielo said after securing a total of 250 years in jail for the defendants that "sentences must be respected" even though judges scrubbed the charge of mafia association and left only simple conspiracy in their sentences.
"The judges turned us down on some points but sentences must be respected," he said, adding "we will wait for the explanation of the verdict".
Former Rome migrants panel chief Luca Odevaine got six and a half years while former Rome council assembly chair Mirko Coratti of ex-premier Matteo Renzi's centre-left Democratic Party got six years.
The former Rome city council whip for three-time former premier and media mogul Silvio Berlusconi's now-defunct People of Freedom party, Luca Gramazio, got 11 years.
Buzzi's wife and secretary were also found guilty in the trial.
The wife, Alessandra Garrone, got 13 and a half years for helping her husband commit his crimes.
The secretary, Nadia Cerrito, who kept Buzzi's books, received a five-year sentence.
Three of the 46 defendants were acquitted.
They were Rocco Rotolo and Salvatore Ruggiero, for whom prosecutors asked 16 years in jail, and the former general manager of waste and rubbish company AMA, Giovanni Fiscon, for whom a five-year term was asked.
Prosecutors said Rotolo and Ruggiero had acted as go-betweens between Capital Mafia ringleaders and the Calabria-based 'Ndrangheta mafia.
Rome Mayor Virginia Raggi was in court for the reading out of the sentences. The city is a civil plaintiff.
"Today is a victory for Rome's citizens," she said.
Carminati and Buzzi were caught on a wiretap saying they could make more out of contracts for Roma and migrant camps than they could by dealing drugs.
The contracts the gang illicitly obtained also included those for public transport and the upkeep of the city's green areas.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rome-beachside-mafia-blitz-idUSKBN1FE16U

Italian police arrest 31 in Rome beachside mafia blitz


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Originally Posted by 2a

Also is Massimo Carminati really such a living legend ? I mean I did a bit of reading on him and it's alleged that he had connections with the CIA and also that he was the main liaison between the Magliana gang and the Italian secret services .



Yes he is a "living legend". If you want unterstand why. You need read about Stay Behind operation and Gladio in Italy. So he was directly involved. He know alot dirty secrets.
Rome is a hot place. So much money, nobody can't controll everything. I'm sure Clan Casamonica are powerfull but this guy don't have this "white collar " influence like Carminati or some Sicilians.

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The Sinti (Gipsy) clan Di Silvio brought votes to Tripodi, the leader of the Lega Nord in the region. 25 arrests!

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Rome mafia ever more like Sicily, Calabria, Campania say DIA
'MO like counterparts Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra'

(ANSA) - Rome, July 18 - Rome's mafias are ever more like the Cosa Nostra in Sicily, the Camorra in Campania and the 'Ndrangheta in Calabria, according to a new report from the National Anti-Mafia Investigative Directorate. The six-monthly report, issued the day after a major mafia bust in the capital against the Casamonica clan which was allied to the 'Ndrangheta for drug pushing, said "organisations similar for MOs to mafia associations like those in Sicily, Calabria and Campania are ever more evident in Rome".
In some areas of the capital there are criminal groups which, "based on close family ties, ever more show the modus operandi of groups of mafia associations", the report said.
Following the mass arrest of members of the family heavily involved in organized crime on Tuesday, a Rome prosecutor warned that the mafia is very powerful in the Italian capital. Calling Rome mafia territory "is not an exaggeration", prosecutor Michele Prestipino said in an interview with Italian daily Corriere della Sera. "I do not think that Rome is comparable to Palermo, Reggio Calabria or Naples, since here groups using mafia methods interact with others that are not involved in the mafia. The main problem here is still corruption, which in other locations is secondary to traditional mafias. However, we see a code of silence and non-collaboration from the victims of crimes," he stressed. "Neither here nor in Milan are people lining up to report intimidation and abuse of power." The Casamonica family-based mafia group, which was targeted by Tuesday's operation in which over 30 were arrested "is a galaxy" that is more frightening than traditional clans, he said. "They are different groups bonded together by blood ties that stand out for their iron-clad control of 'their' territory," he said, "and have become one of the most frightening criminal realities of the city." He stressed that several types of criminal activities were involved.
Italian police on Tuesday made 31 arrest as they hit the Casamonica Roman crime family, saying it had links with the 'Ndrangheta for drug trafficking.
Six people are missing and presumed to be on the run, police said.
The arrests were made in the Italian capital and in the provinces of Reggio Calabria and Cosenza in Calabria, police said.
The suspects are accused of creating an organisation dedicated to drug trafficking, extortion and loan sharking, all aggravated by using mafia methods.
Among those arrested is Domenico Spada of the eponymous Rome and Ostia crime family, aka Vulcano and a former boxing champion.
"They didn't need to use violence, the Casamonica name was enough," said anti-mafia prosecutor Michele Prestipino.
Locales in Rome including a disco in Testaccio and a restaurant near the Pantheon were sequestered.
Searches turned up 50,000 euros in cash, current accounts, cars and dozens of luxury watches.
The so-called 'Romanina clan', from the eastern district of the Italian capital, held sway over criminal activity in much of Rome, investigators said.
Because of their Roma and Traveller origins, they were also known as the Gypsies.
The clan was bust wide open, police said, thanks to the State's evidence of 31-year-old Debora Cerroni, the partner of Massimiliano Casamonica, brother of clan chieftain Giuseppe Casamonica.
Never accepted by the clan, she is now under police protection, investigators said.
The second crucial informant is a Calabria-born man who has lived in Rome for many years.
He is said to have managed drugs operations for the Casamonicas.
Rome Mayor Virginia Raggi said "the Carabinieri operation went very well, my compliments".
Interior Minister Matteo Salvini said "we are winning against organised crime".
Defence Undersecretary Angelo Tofalo said "I'd like to thank the Carabinieri for a laudable operation at the end of a probe that started in 2015".
The Casamonicas have long been the most powerful mafia-style group in Rome and there was a scandal three summers ago when one clan boss had a Godfather-like funeral complete with music from the iconic film and rose petals dropped onto a horse-drawn hearse from a helicopter.

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Giacomo Cascalisci, boss of the 'Cosa Nostra Tiburtina' took his own life killing himself in the room of the detaining department of the Molinette hospital in Turin, where he was hospitalized. Cascalisci arrested with a maxiblitz in March and in prison in Rome, was in the Turin hospital since Saturday for a series of treatments. He had a long criminal record, arrested the first time in 1982 for " criminal association ". Over the decades the 53-year-old from Tivoli has accumulated other penalties for crimes such as extortion, theft, robbery, attempted voluntary homicide, kidnapping for robbery, personal injury, evasion, stolen goods and especially drug dealing.
According to what was ascertained by the investigations of the Carabinieri, Cascalisci was the only point of reference for the entire criminal association of Tiburtino.

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Also is Massimo Carminati really such a living legend ? I mean I did a bit of reading on him and it's alleged that he had connections with the CIA and also that he was the main liaison between the Magliana gang and the Italian secret services .



Yes he is a "living legend". If you want unterstand why. You need read about Stay Behind operation and Gladio in Italy. So he was directly involved. He know alot dirty secrets.
Rome is a hot place. So much money, nobody can't controll everything. I'm sure Clan Casamonica are powerfull but this guy don't have this "white collar " influence like Carminati or some Sicilians.


Yup I know about Gladio and all , but information about Carminati's specific role in it is rather scarce . Or at least I haven't been able to dig up much in the way of English language articles and such .

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