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Re: Sonny released
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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06/25/17 07:54 PM
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his gold plated moral compass finds way into every thread. its getting very annoying. i went to high school with someone like this. we beat him up regularly and my only regret is that i didnt beat him up more.
This is pretty much a scumbag low-life thing to do though, if you are serious. Beating up somebody just because he has a "moral compass" that your "gang" doesn't have, especially a whole group against one...This is worse than the mafia, for them it's "just business" usually at least (although not always). I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further, but with the rape thing he has a point imo: while Sonny Franzese is a very interesting character from the mafia research point of view and I had a lot of fun reading how he was still doing extortions at 93 years old and got arrested for that, and it would be interesting to see him try to "get back into business" now at 100 years (especially if he manages to get himself arrested and convicted again, does the whole time again and is still alive when he gets released  although unfortunately this is unlikely), still the rape thing ruins the whole fun: while I don't care about the rival gangsters he whacked, but raping somebody is something that even a "born" criminal could avoid, whatever the circumstances he grew up in were.
Last edited by Dwalin2011; 06/25/17 07:56 PM.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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06/25/17 10:11 PM
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Dwalin2011
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I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school. In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents. And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action. A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA...
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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06/25/17 10:15 PM
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I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school. In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents. And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action. A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA... Were you bullied as a kid?
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: fatdomgamiello36]
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06/25/17 10:16 PM
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I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school. In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents. And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action. A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA... Were you bullied as a kid? He was probably raped too
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: fatdomgamiello36]
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06/25/17 10:21 PM
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Dwalin2011
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I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school. In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents. And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action. A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA... Were you bullied as a kid? Not exactly to that point at least, never got beaten up by an entire group, the fights I remember were always 1 to 1, and not always with clear "winners", although having glasses broken was annoying, paying for new lenses takes some money after all. But after moving to Italy, this problem wasn't there anymore, the Russian school was worse. The situation Ralphie_Cifaretto describes seems more infamous than I had in Russia though.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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06/25/17 10:21 PM
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Dwalin2011
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He was probably raped too Did you do time for rape? P.S. Note for the mods: I stop here, will keep to reading, so that guy is the only one to attract attention, if anything.
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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06/25/17 10:37 PM
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I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school. In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents. And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action. A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA... What was the point of this? Seriously. Try it in 100 words.
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: EricKumerow]
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06/25/17 10:41 PM
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Dwalin2011
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What was the point of this? Seriously. Try it in 100 words.
It was just an observation: to put it briefly, it's interesting to read about Franzese, but Moe has a point too, some things aren't funny...And about gang beatings for that specific reason, too. About Amuso, it was just an off-topic for fun. That's all...
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: MightyDR]
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06/27/17 12:42 AM
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While we're on the subject, what is the source for Christie Tick raping several girls?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pur1.32754078036807;view=1up;seq=260 Mentions arrests for rape and sodomy
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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06/27/17 11:12 AM
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BillyBrizzi
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You do realize he raped women, murdered people and extorted hardworking people for a living, while raising his children to be criminals and drug addicts?
The American dream! I always respected you Moe, but I have to be honest with you buddy that this shit is getting real old. We all know by now that you despise all mobsters, but some of us don't see everything that black and white and that doesn't necessarily mean we lack a 'moral compass'.
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: EricKumerow]
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06/27/17 02:21 PM
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Billy, I know I can come across as an annoying, whiny asshole sometimes but it can't get any more black and white than someone like Sonny Franzese, who has committed crimes that cover the whole spectrum from extortion to drug dealing to assault to murder to rape and God knows what else.
There is nothing to be respected about the way he lived his life or the fact that he raised two weak, spineless children; one a drug addict, the other a pathological liar, both rats.
I will admit he is a fascinating character in the mold of Greg Scarpa, Jimmy Burke and Roy De Meo but that's it, so were Ted Bundy and Pol Pot.
And no - I am not saying Franzese is anywhere as bad as them but the broad point is the same.
*I've started reading The Goodfella Tapes for the second time and George Anastasia writes in the intro about how John Stanfa and Sergio Battaglia plotted to assassinate him (and his family) by throwing grenades through the window of his family home. All because he wrote an unflattering article
I mean come on.
People are entitled to think I am a whiny, annoying asshole. I will try to stop interjecting my moral grievances into every thread I post in.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Sonny released
[Re: EricKumerow]
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06/27/17 09:20 PM
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Well, since Moe hates him so much, I say give him a reality show!
Vacari, in Kenny Gallo's book, he says he was amazed at how Sonny was showing photos of his grandkids, Michael's kids, and doting over them like a regular old grandpa, well after Michael was on the outs.
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