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The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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04/11/16 01:08 PM
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baldo
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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04/11/16 05:21 PM
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
[Re: baldo]
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04/12/16 01:58 PM
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For an injuction like that(I believe that's what you're referring to, SB, unless I'm mistaken) there has to be a certain area, groups and matching identifying appearance of some sorts for it to work.
For instance, as it works on gangs: Gang apparel, each gang has a different team they use to identify themselves, colors, tattoos and of course, a certain turf. You can't do that to mafia.
As far as MCs go, they're mainly started as a movement or simply a club. Hells Angels are a corporation(if I'm not mistaken) who have legal representatives and codemarked their logo. I know that when I played GTA SA:MP, Hells Angels lawyer would sign up to certain forums and threaten to sue people who made mods for the game based on Hells Angels(used the logo and whatnot). MCs aren't strictly criminal empires.
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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04/12/16 05:59 PM
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Great post Baldo. Appreciated.
It's amazing it's not illegal to be a member of the mafia. Or a 1% OMC. These are undisputed criminal organizations. If it is legal to ban certain organizations due to being contrary to the interests of society (eg KKK), then why are these not on that list.
Love to hear the argument against. Because in a free society, you can't make it illegal to be a membership of an organization. In the US, I think it's covered under the "free assembly" part of the Constitution. You can freely associate with any person or group (even if they're criminal or radical). That’s why RICO laws require that someone partake in at least two crimes as part of a criminal organization. That effectively is punishing someone for being in the Mafia, but you still have to prove it on a case by case basis. Terrorists are the only ones largely exempt from this and I'm not even trying to have that debate
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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04/13/16 02:40 PM
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Great post Baldo. Appreciated.
It's amazing it's not illegal to be a member of the mafia. Or a 1% OMC. These are undisputed criminal organizations. If it is legal to ban certain organizations due to being contrary to the interests of society (eg KKK), then why are these not on that list.
Love to hear the argument against. Because in a free society, you can't make it illegal to be a membership of an organization. In the US, I think it's covered under the "free assembly" part of the Constitution. You can freely associate with any person or group (even if they're criminal or radical). That’s why RICO laws require that someone partake in at least two crimes as part of a criminal organization. That effectively is punishing someone for being in the Mafia, but you still have to prove it on a case by case basis. Terrorists are the only ones largely exempt from this and I'm not even trying to have that debate And that's my point Ted. You can and they have and there are. The KKK, Nazi party etc are all illegal organizations (and rightly so) which leads to my point, if you CAN ban groups (for whatever reason) then why not 1% and the mob. Appreciate the above responses from all. But still confuzzled.
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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04/14/16 02:30 PM
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Great post Baldo. Appreciated.
It's amazing it's not illegal to be a member of the mafia. Or a 1% OMC. These are undisputed criminal organizations. If it is legal to ban certain organizations due to being contrary to the interests of society (eg KKK), then why are these not on that list.
Love to hear the argument against. Because in a free society, you can't make it illegal to be a membership of an organization. In the US, I think it's covered under the "free assembly" part of the Constitution. You can freely associate with any person or group (even if they're criminal or radical). That’s why RICO laws require that someone partake in at least two crimes as part of a criminal organization. That effectively is punishing someone for being in the Mafia, but you still have to prove it on a case by case basis. Terrorists are the only ones largely exempt from this and I'm not even trying to have that debate And that's my point Ted. You can and they have and there are. The KKK, Nazi party etc are all illegal organizations (and rightly so) which leads to my point, if you CAN ban groups (for whatever reason) then why not 1% and the mob. Appreciate the above responses from all. But still confuzzled. What do you mean? It isn't illegal to be a KKK or Nazi member.
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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03/31/17 04:02 PM
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The KKK, Nazi party etc are all illegal organizations (and rightly so) which leads to my point, if you CAN ban groups (for whatever reason) then why not 1% and the mob.
Appreciate the above responses from all. But still confuzzled.
The Mob has always tried to deny its own existence. That kind of went out the window when guys started flipping, but it's made it harder for law enforcement to prove who's a member and who isn't. (I guess that's why under RICO, they call it "racketeering enterprise" rather than being a member or associate of the mob. The 1% bikers get around it by pretending to only a brotherhood of guys who like to ride bikes. The fact that bikers are generally openly patriotic makes people cut them a lot of slack, too. (Maybe just my opinion)
Last edited by Fleming_Ave; 03/31/17 04:03 PM.
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
[Re: baldo]
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05/29/17 05:00 AM
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The Italian judiciary has seized hotels, apartments and 26 bank accounts from Vincenzo and Rocco Crupi. The brothers ran more than 20 years, a flower export company in Holland. The Crupi's were arrested in September 2015. The clan around the brothers worked in the trade of cocaine, bankruptcy fraud and scams. The case came to light after the Italian police had warned the Dutch justice that the mafia in the Netherlands wanted to murder someone. According to Italian media, the judiciary has seized 13 flower companies, 22 apartments, 21 shops, 2 hotels (in Rome and Arezzo), all in Italy. In South America, the police seized pieces of land. Total value would be around 30 million euros. According Agro-check, a company that investigates questionable firms in the flower business, the mafia is still active on the Aalsmeer flower auction.
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Re: The mafia and a very special flower arrangement
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06/12/17 05:41 AM
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He was arrested in Operation ONIG, named after the informant "Gino" who infiltrated a drug cartel on the east coast backed by LCN. That was in 1994. Project ONIG investigated collaboration between members of the Montreal Mafia, the Siderno Group in Calabria, the Colombian cartels, the Sicilian mafia, and Asian OC. The Vincenzo Macrì arrested in relation to this investigation --"u baruni"--is someone different from the just recently arrested Macrì. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/c...451f5908f8dcd98 You may be right this Vincenzo was arrested earlier in Delaware I think.
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