Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Ciment
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Ciment
I have never said or implied that the ndrangheta will win the war with the feds. Ndrangheta members still get arrested in Italy due to wiretapping and other methods that police use. What I said was if the NY mafia continues on the same path of self destruction by having informants testify on their own people then someone else (ndrangheta) will fill the void.


And if they fill the void they will be on the radar of the feds, which I can imagine is something they want to avoid.

Furthermore, it seems the feds and the mob have reached a status quo. The feds mob squads are downsized and there hasn't been a turncoat in years that is doing much damage to the families. At this point attrition poses a larger treat to the existance of the mob, but this is a slow process that will take many more years and within these years anything can happen.


I agree once identified they will always be under the radar of the feds.The only difference if they do fill the void, the feds will have a greater difficulty in penetrating the Ndrangheta and producing turncoats because of their blood ties.

In Ontario for example, there were four ndrangheta cells/families that were generally known to the press & public. Because of an investigation that was carried out by Italian authorities, it was discovered that there were as many seven in Toronto GTA alone not including Hamilton. This brings up the number to 9 possibly 10 families. How is it possible that these newly discovered families were able to hide from under the Canadian feds and Italian authorities all these years. Furthermore they don't seem to have a recruiting problem due to their blood ties and organizational structure.
In New York they didn't just appear out of thin air.




Comparing the Canadian agencies with their colleagues south of the border is apples and oranges. The FBI has been much more effective at weakening the mob than the Canadians. They'll hurt any 'Ndrangheta clans equally if they go after them in full force. It may take more effort, but they'll dedicate resources accordingly if they have to.

Besides, because Italian investigations became public doesn't mean the Canadian authorities weren't aware of those 10 clans in Ontario. Project Clemenza and the decrypted text messages are a good example of their intelligence capabilities. They knew exactly what everyone was up to. There's probably a ton of information available to them that we'll only get a fraction of.


I was not comparing police forces but was comparing the Ndrangheta to the Cosa Nostra.
I am glad you mentioned "it may take more effort". This was the essence of my point.