DePalma really fucked up The Untouchables. That movie had a great script (David Mamet is incredible) but absolutely pitiful directing. I hate that movie with a passion. Scorsese should've directed it.

Incredible script? I dig Mamet, but I can't believe the script was really that good. But hey, you've read it; I haven't.

DePalma's SCARFACE - **** out of 5

The Untouchables was shitty. It was corny, overly macho and the homage to The Battleship Potemkin with the baby carriage in the train station was just too melodramatic. However, in the midst of all of it, DeNiro's performance proves to be great.

Spoken like a true movie buff... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Yes I am speaing like "a true movie buff" as you put it because you know why, I don't try to read into things. I put in the movies and base them purely on acting performances and how entertaining they are. If you guys wanna base it on character development/depth, directing, costumes, lighting, etc then go right ahead. Just know that some (such as myself) don't base our opinions on that

I can maybe agree that Carlito's Way is underrated. I don't hear much about it but I only watched it once and remember not liking it. I heard that it was as good or better than Scarface and it failed miserably in those terms IMO. As for the action figures and merchandise, just wait until the Carlito's Way Special Edition DVD But seriously, I don't know why that movie hasn't "influenced the rap community" as much as Scarface has? Maybe Scarface just is the better movie :p

So Irishman, go tell us how great ARMAGGEDON was, will you?

"Entertaining" is really worthy of a true critical reasoning for liking a movie for someone over at IMDB.com!

Seen parts of Armaggedon but never the whole thing. As suspect_5 and myself have already said, you may find our "entertaining" reason as a "cop out" but that's what we look for in a movie. He (suspect_5) looks for an escape from reality and sometimes I do too. But again, it's a movie and it's meant for entertainment. If you wish to take it further and really dissect it to understand or appreciate it better (such as yourself, Capo, Don Vercetti) that's fine also. Just know that some do not look at movies for those elements and appreciate movies for different reasons. You may not agree with it but that's what the beauty of this message board and America is, freedom of choice

It probably has to do with the fact that Carlito didn't shred mobsters with an assault rifle, there was just nothing to relate to! Rappers say they relate to rising in power from nothing (which can be applied to hundreds of films, including non-gangster ones), not trying to get out of crime.

"I can maybe agree that Carlito's Way is underrated. I don't hear much about it but I only watched it once and remember not liking it. I heard that it was as good or better than Scarface and it failed miserably in those terms IMO. As for the action figures and merchandise, just wait until the Carlito's Way Special Edition DVD But seriously, I don't know why that movie hasn't "influenced the rap community" as much as Scarface has? Maybe Scarface just is the better movie "

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Well, SCARFACE I prefer over CARLITO'S WAY just barely, however WAY is a really damn good crime movie that doesn't deserve that "as good as SCARFACE" or "sequel to SCARFACE" statements. If anything, that movie is of sorts Anti-SCARFACE but that is for my future VIDEO BIN REVIEW of the movie.

Besides, Tony Montana is a more amusing character. Even as a street-level thug that is a nasty toilet bug, there is a charm to some of his actions, I mean his "balls+world" speech anyone?

Then again Irishman, your reasoning of CARLITO'S WAY getting a new DVD........you know that Michael Bay's crap-masterpiece ARMAGGEDON got a CRITERION DVD? You know that MGM dished out a box-set for SHOWGIRLS awhile back?

Really, work at a Mom & Pop video store sometime instead of Blockbuster man. You will improve as a result.

Yeah I'm really surprised more rappers can't relate to Aladdin

But what happens with the many films that aren't made for entertainment? Lawrence of Arabia is playing this Thursday on TCM, and supposedly it isn't an entertaining film, so how can you rate it? You're bound to come up on films known for their artistic value rather then entertainment, in fact, Modern Times was one of them.

Irish, you also have the freedom to have shoddy taste and, to quote my civics teacher back in high school:

"Because you have the right to Free Speech also means that the other person has the right to either ignore or not take seriously your opinion"

:p

Does The Wizard of Oz or Singin' in the Rain or Duck Soup or Star Wars have any great substance in it? Does GoodFellas, for that matter? I'll be surprised if many people claim they do, but I'll be even more surprised if a great many people claim they aren't masterpieces. Movies don't have to have substance. Sure, it certainly helps a whole lot, but there are so many pure-entertainment films that I rank as masterpieces--Scarface included. In fact, a movie cannot be great if it is completely devoid of any entertainment whatsoever.

Yeah I'm really surprised more rappers can't relate to Aladdin [/b][/quote]All he had was a knife and Abbu, he must've been a pussy in their mind.

Wow, how and why did Armaggedon get a Criterion DVD!? As for Showgirls, yes I was aware about the box-set (suspect_5 bought it when it came out). As for me, I've worked at Hollywood Video (which was my worst job ever) but I'm happy at Blockbuster. Suspect_5 can review movies (he reviews DVD's for chud.com). Me, I've never been much of a writer and again, I don't really look for certain elements in a movie like you guys do

I couldn't have said it better myself thug!

Wow....

*Suspects does reviews for CHUD.com? The website with that reviewer that preferred the retarded mediocre-as-f*ck FANTASTIC FOUR over the really darn good BATMAN BEGINS? Umm....

*Suspect bought that SHOWGIRLS boxset?

No he liked Batman Begins more than Fantastic Four I believe. I think he liked Fantastic Four more than War of the Worlds (although he probably wouldn't admit it)

Actually I was referring to Devin I think, who reviews many of the movies at the CHUD website now.

At least Suspect has a sense of good taste!

I don't really look at it that way. Eraser always entertains me a lot, and that was it's only reason for being made, but it's one of the worst monstrosities to come out of the 90's. Some films aren't made for entertainment, and can be boring. This is the very reason my favorites list differs to BEST EVER. Entertainment is too basic a feeling to me to rate a film on.

I just watched Full Metal Jacket for the first time. The bootcamp part was great but I thought the rest was pointless and boring. Abrupt ending too.

And as for this whole difference between favorite movies and best movies thing, just consider this:

The Deer Hunter is an extremely flawed movie. The camera techniques suck, the editing is poorly done, there were unnecessary parts throughout the whole thing, and the ending is pointless and stupid, and contradicts the message of the entire film.

The Deer Hunter is my favorite movie of all time.

How about an example going the other way:

Casablanca is a perfect movie from beginning to end. The acting, the storyline, the script, the screenplay, the music, the direction, the transition from scene to scene, the ending -- everything, flawless, immaculate, masterful.

You couldn't pay me to watch that movie right now.

Carlito's Way IS a better movie than Scarface and a much better one than Untouchables. This movie is so underrated, its unbelievable. Even though Scarface is my 3rd favorite movie of all time, Carlito's Way was superiour in terms of direction, plot and especially character development. Edwin Torres wrote a great script with depth. The plot "twist" was great, Pacino and Penn made incredible Performances. Carlito's narration made you feel what he was feeling.
CW is also underrated by many fellow Board members. Some might think Im exaggerating here but I think CW is a flawless movie! That's right. One of the true jewels of cinema work in the post 90's era! 10/10.

I agree with that

Wow, I can't believe the people that still believe that "First Half Good/ The Rest Sucked" belief with FULL METAL JACKET.

Fact is, I prefer the 2nd half over the much overrated-but-good first half. If any problems are with the movie, maybe I can understand how it feels like a 3rd Act was abruptly cut out of sorts.

However, arguably the best American-Vietnam War movie and among the best war films of all time, methinks.

What was the point of the second half of the movie? To show that Vietnam was crazy and that there was prostituion and killings? Wow, what a big deal. Get the fuck out of here with that.

You telling me to get the fuck out of here with that? Okay sir, I'm sorry..... :p

I was going to explain why I prefer the 2nd half, but whatever.

Well as long as you think that, I guess you hate most, if not all war films.

;)

The thing is, there were actual plots to other Vietnam films. The Deer Hunter was about a group of friends whose lives were greatly affected by the war. Apocalypse Now was about a soldier's mission to kill an insane green beret. Full Metal Jacket is just pointless, and ends with Joker killing a female assasin. Wow, great plot there Stanley. I was deeply affected by that movie. :rolleyes: