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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #908587
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Originally Posted By: Amys
Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?


Was Mitchel Wolcoff related to the brothers? He was a night club owner and frontman for Giancana and Marcy


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Toodoped] #908588
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Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: Amys
Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?


Was Mitchel Wolcoff related to the brothers? He was a night club owner and frontman for Giancana and Marcy


You are thinking of those infamous conmen. I think they wound up in Atlanta after prison, then were working in Florida. Here is some later media coverage of these guys:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-06-06/news/8702200449_1_murders-grand-jury-wire-fraud

I dont think the Wolcoff guys were "Phil's laborers" exclusively. There were some other Outfit guys involved with them like Pat Manno.

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"Milwaukee Phil" was involved with the torture of Billy McCarthy, where McCarthy's head was put in a vice and his eyeball was popped out, the basis for the Casino scene. McCarthy and another guy had killed a few outfit members.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Toodoped] #909578
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Wasn't he technically under Fiore Buccieri?

Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Trapper] #909611
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Originally Posted By: Trapper
Wasn't he technically under Fiore Buccieri?


Nope he was under Battaglia together with Nicoletti, Frabotta etc. It is possible when Battaglia took the acting boss position in 1965/66, Alderisdio became boss or capo of the Melrose Park crew.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #909622
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I think Alderisio formed his own crew within the Melrose Park crew that eventually became the Grand Avenue crew. A lot of guys in that crew came up under Alderisio, like Lombardo, Spilotro, Schweihs, Cozzo, the Pettits, etc.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Snakes] #909624
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
I think Alderisio formed his own crew within the Melrose Park crew that eventually became the Grand Avenue crew. A lot of guys in that crew came up under Alderisio, like Lombardo, Spilotro, Schweihs, Cozzo, the Pettits, etc.


Thats another interesting thinking Snakes, since during the mid 1950's when Battaglia took over from DeGrazia, his "outfit" was formed by many high profile mobsters such as Alderisio, Nicoleti, Frabotta, Caifano, Pranno, Salvatore,etc.(maybe i forgot someone) and that is why by the early 1960's, many members from that crew were fighting each other and broke off to several other crews.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Toodoped] #909770
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Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.


toodoped, weren't a lot of these heavy hitters, bucceri,nicoletti, torello, alderiso, di pietra, caifano, and many more that tortured, all ex 42 members.



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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #909781
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Someone did an in-depth article on the 42 Gang several years ago and dismissed a lot of the big names that are usually associated with that organization. I'm pretty sure that Giancana and Battaglia were with the 42's, but not any of the other names you listed. I could be mistaken, though, as it's been some time since I've read that article. Torello, at least, was too young to have been a part of the gang.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Binnie_Coll] #909794
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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.


toodoped, weren't a lot of these heavy hitters, bucceri,nicoletti, torello, alderiso, di pietra, caifano, and many more that tortured, all ex 42 members.


As Snakes previously pointed out, many opf these members were too young to be associated with the 42's but my personal belief is that thouse same 42's were considered to hold membership of quite young criminals. So my point is that the DeStefanos and Nicoletti might've been members of the gang. The Battaglias, including brothers and relatives, were for sure members of the gang and also Giancana, Leonard Caifano and possibly Louie Fratto. As for Marshall Caifano, I believe he was too young but who knows, his older brother was member. I really dont have any proof or to tell you the turth I have never done any deep research on Buccieri's membership but he can be a good "candidate" also.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #909795
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Alderisio grew up in NY, Milwaukee and Chicago - he was not a 42 guy.

Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: ChiTown] #909796
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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Alderisio grew up in NY, Milwaukee and Chicago - he was not a 42 guy.


I second that. What up Chi man long time no see smile


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #909824
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thank you for your post, toodoped



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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #909935
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Is this the guy who was dating a girl? His capo asked his permission to date the same girl, which he granted. Then Felix died and the guy got whacked. The killer claimed that Felix ordered the hit from his grave?

Right guy?

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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
Is this the guy who was dating a girl? His capo asked his permission to date the same girl, which he granted. Then Felix died and the guy got whacked. The killer claimed that Felix ordered the hit from his grave?

Right guy?


Thats right. The guy who got killed was another Outfit member nown as Sambo Cesario aka Blackie


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