set in buffalo 1967.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErsJ3LLYk2M

Tommy, think what you want man. 15 made guys (at minimum) in a heavily Italian region from a Mafia family that has been around forever arent viable, right. There is no organized schemes going on, no book, no extortion, no loan sharking, no associates, no younger generation vying to impress the higher ups. All these made guys are just home watching TV and looking out their windows wishing they knew how to make money illegally but just cant figure it out. No statements I made are ridiculous and Im not an alt for Giacomo. Tell us what my lies are, Ive been in Buffalo my whole life and I know what goes on.

I havent just "come in", Ive been reading this forum for a long time. Again, is Buffalo the Genovese? Gambino? Philly? NO. Are FBI accounts a good indicator of a family's importance to them at a federal level yes, is it the whole picture from local and state classification, no. Is there bigger problems in Buffalo than a small LCN family? Yes, all the black and hispanic gangs and recently the Sinola. These current older guys need younger guys around them to help procure more money into their pockets. Is this family small, yes. But it isnt dead, sorry. I could care less if its viable or dead, I think the history of the family is disgusting (like all families) but their operations have shifted heavily away from the nasty violence seen in the 60s and 70s so who the fuck cares, let them exist at this point (probably what the feds are thinking). This country is so fucked with or without them it really doesnt matter.

It is kinda fishy that now out of nowhere a poster appears from Buffalo who confirms everything GV has stated.

Just saying..

I said that what Giacomo said wasnt ENTIRELY wrong, Im not legitimizing him at all. Him saying that Utica is most active is wrong, Im debunking his soldiers in Syracuse theory, his made ceremony dates are off, it happened before 2012/2013. And him talking about Erie and Endicott as potential modern day crew bases is ridiculous, ofcourse there is nothing there, for about 50 years now. Vic is highly respected though and BiFulco is essentially the new boss already. He is a mobster to the fullest and does have a lot of younger guys under him.

Like I said, believe what you guys want, makes no difference to me, Ive just been wanting to give my insight on Buffalo for a while and finally did.

Assuming that 15 made guys (at minimum, and Im basically removing the Ontario crew altogether) dont have day to operations in a region like Western NY is just silly to me, even if I wasnt from Buffalo. I know what goes on here and I have sources that are more than credible.

Understood Rooster, I stand corrected and appreciate the info you are providing.

It's not so much I WANT to believe, I find ALL of the mafia interesting.
Plus, like I said before, he has come up its VERY GOOD INFO previously...


What bothers me is you can't tell me what he made up. Yet knowledge of it is so widespread among posters? Okay, I'll ask again, what was the magic moment where it was like aha!! Can you elaborate for me a little?

I can't just let something like that go, EXPLAIN THE INCIDENT TO THE BOARD, . Cause like I said, I'm not on all the forums...

@Rooster

Okay, got you. I posted before I saw your new post. That's all I was asking, a little confirm or no confirm, ya know? Cause I sure as shit can't confirm or deny it.

And unless I know for sure, I'm not comfortable just going with the flow and calling someone a liar.

And for the record, you seem true to your word to me. Alfa made a point a long time ago, that we shouldn't automatically run people off the boards if they have special insight to a particular area..... You seem like you KNOW Buffalo.

I for one am interested in hearing more.

I STILL wanna hear from you guys about these incidents on the other forums, the thing is no one has spelled it out really.

Case in point, Rooster being from Buffalo, can critique what Giacomo is saying, and it absolutly seems credible. Just give me the facts man, lol

@Tommy

I didn't mean to snap at you, this felt like it might have been something personal or who knows what. Like I said, there have beensome beefs on here that just baffle me, I thought this might be one....

A lot of what he said is bull. But the family is still a family with a structure and viable per many people that know of them, if the FBI says they arent per their classification thats all the better for these guys. But seriously beyond all the naming of guys and whos in what position dont you think the higher ups know they need to recruit younger guys into the organization if not to carry on tradition then at least to make money for themselves? 15 made guys is still 15 made guys. Casinos all over out here, 2 pro teams, colleges everywhere, tourists, Canada 2 minutes away, tons of hot real estate, big pizza businesses, bars open til 4am, corrupt contractors, etc. etc.

I already told you, he used fake names of mobsters for some strange reason, he's desperate to be considered to have inside knowledge, he's from California yet knows the ins and outs of all families it was a while ago so I can't remember the details but it was embarrassing, he left the forum for a while, went to the black hand forum where he got exposed again for his bullshit and got ran off, now he's back posting here again.

I don't care if he has knowledge of the history of LCN, pretty much everything modern day he makes up.

'EXPLAIN THE INCIDENT TO THE BOARD' the only one needs explaining to is you, everyone else knows about it.

Carry on beleiving him and making yourself look a fool

This is a post by SinatraClub regarding what he did.....

He did it again on GBB. Again back to the whole Luciano being slapped the Camorra situation and his names not matching actual sources, he claimed there was FBN documentation of testimony, which explained that the Chiofano brothers were the culprits and that Pirozzi, who most sources attribute to being the Camorristi who slapped Luciano, was actually a witness on behalf of Luciano. I asked if he could provide any links to said testimony, he didn't. But he said "I point you to the June, 12th 1951 testimony of Steve "Cement" Zollo with FBN agent yada yada yada..." And I think it was Antitilliar who pointed out that Steve Zollo is a fictional character from a fictional book, by fiction writer Wu Ming. He sounded convincing until that was pointed out. And then when called out on it, he admitted that his source for everything was a character from a fictional book, by simply responding "Yep."

Like who does that?

Then admitted to lying yet again on a different subject on the black hand forum, stating 'I lied, but I'm not a chronic liar'

The Black Hand?

Is that the website where members must get a handjob from a black guy as part of the initiation process?

You tell me Moe, you signed up, then got ran off after attempting a few jokes.

I think it's human nature for most people to believe what they wanna believe. If a new poster makes a post about activity in a potential defunct city there are those that take that info and run with it. Others may see it as trolling and won't believe it, unless the Feds say so. It's also human nature for people to be skeptical and there's nothing wrong with that. New posters have to realize that not everyone is gonna take their word on something bc they grew up in a certain area, or know someone who might know someone. Like anything else, time will tell.

My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Just an observation from being on here for years. Regardless, I enjoy reading what people know or believe.

Course I ran! I ain't letting no black guy give me a handjob.

What if he has soft hands?

Exactly, Im not blind to that at all and everyone is free to think Im lying.
Most of my intel comes from cops and just being around different circles, bars, restuarants, etc. then determining what is probable on my own and understanding how and why the Mafia operates here in general and telling you all. Im not directly linked to any Buffalo family member and dont want to be. Knowing what goes on in your hometown is because its your hometown. This is a small city where everyone knows each others business. Applying basic math allows me to come up with the claim that this family is viable.

It has long been rumored that the Ciminellis have ties to the Buffalo family.

http://buffalonews.com/2016/09/22/nine-charged-bombshell-state-corruption-case/

Only white guys then?

Ciminelli was close to Nicoletti

I thought the name of the site was a metaphor for something. I didn't think you would literally have to receive handjobs from black men with vascular hands - but hey, whatever you're into!

Tommy is correct.

Giacomo is a troll who writes fiction for kicks.

He was repeatedly questioned regarding his 'sources' at BH and patently exposed as a troll who literally bandies fiction for fact.

I have no dog in the fight nor a personal grudge or agenda.
It's simply disappointing he gets poor souls to believe his tripe.

But I guess they themselves are somewhat responsible as some people believe what they want.

I also think it's suspicious that 'Rooster' who has 'street' knowledge claims not to know any members personally yet seems to know the hierarchy of a secret society and when they have making ceremonies, what crews are active etc etc

And he coincidentally joins as the thread was created.

YAWN.

And I've no interest in getting into back and forth on the subject.

Believe him or don't. It matters little to me.

But you'd be doing yourself a favour by simply requesting sources for his various 'contributions'.

Its a secret society now? In 2016? The whole existence of this forum is to talk about shit that is known about this secret society that isn't secret anymore. YAWN

I talk to people in the know all the time, including cops some who are relatives. Again, Buffalo is a small city where everyone knows everyone's business. I do not personally know any made members but due to talks with cops, people on the fringe, being in and out of restaurants, bars, cafes, etc. etc. Im telling you what I believe to be true. Ya know, kind of like this forum and all its speculators but in real life?

That making ceremony was talked about in various circles many times over for years, this stuff isn't a secret.

I know nothing about Rochester personally, I know there is no made guys that reside in Syracuse and I know that a city of 50k (Utica) is definitely not more active than Buffalo, so coincidentally you can have 2 million comments on this forum your assumption that the family is dead or no one knows anything other than the FBI makes me YAWN on this snow filled Sunday

Sources? ok no problem, Ill make sure to get notarized affidavits from all of them and possible see if they'll take a lie detector test that I can show you the results of because of the belief that you validating my stories means something to me.