Originally Posted By: SmearyGoose1768
Originally Posted By: americafyeah
the cartels are based in mexico,they have no organization or real power in the u.s. there is no Sinaloa,zetas,gulf etc cartel on u.s. soil. they might send 1 individual across the border to speak on their behalf,and farm out sales to a u.s. based gang,but taht's the extent of it.their activity in the US is very limited. there's no region of the u.s. that the cartels control,like the lcn does.secondly, if you want to consider Mexican cartels oc,then you'd have to change the definition of organized crime. think about it like this,if lcn were to start hanging headless torsos from freeway overpasses,kidnap and disappear pacifist college student protestors, catholic priests,and kill civilians indiscriminately,with mass graves throughout the country,etc would they still considered organized crime,or rightly called a terrist organization?the Taliban also control the opium trade,and have an expansive and profitable drug network that rivals any cartel,including sinaloa.but you wouldn't call the Taliban oc,same should apply to the cartels. i don't consider them oc,and drug trafficking alone doesn't make you a legimiate oc group. kidnapping,ransoms,political assassinations,and their other activities are more akin to terrist activities than oc.

You keep bringing up violence on the innocent by the cartels to say they are a terrorist organization and not OC but the flaw with your argument or logic is that EVERY organization or criminal organization has killed innocents before even the LCN. EVERY single one of them. So that makes them terrorists too? Like I said a big difference between the cartels in Mexico and OC in general outside the U.S is that typically organized crime groups corrupt the institutions, government and police or law enforcement. "Terorists" groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda typically take over not just control the area they operate. It's a complete take over of the government and they implement their own laws like Sharia and other extremist Islamic practices on the local population. It's a complete take over and not corruption what makes the key difference here. Also terrorist groups aren't part of the social fabric and economy like the cartels. They operate on the fringes of society and aren't rooted into society like the cartels have done. The same can be applied to all classified terrorist groups like FARC, Taliban, Al Qaeda all of them were usually or are foreign or outside groups not are not rooted into society. Again the key difference between an OC groups like the cartels and terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and Taliban is that the cartels corrupt the local government and police while the Taliban take over the area and govern the populace with their ideology and practices like Sharia Law.


i agree on some points. but,there are unwritten rules and codes of conduct even among the underworld and the cartels break them all.it's a documented fact,zetas and other cartels have raped and tortured women. here's just 1 well known example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre
and target innocents on a large-scale. other oc groups in the past have killed innocents,but it's usually an exception to the rule, because they werein debt,or at times collateral damage. the cartels widespread use of torture,and beheadings,puts themon par with islamic terrists. what would you consider the "plazas"? isn't it essentially a complete takeover? it's true theycorrupt police and govt in order to establish themselvesin these plazas.so,while cartels haven't completely taken over the govt,i think it's fair to say the cartels have free reign in the plazas. there's been several instances of vigilante groups popping up,in response to the cartels imposing extortion and intimidation tactics on the local populace.so no,they haven't managed to completely takeover the entire country but like terrists they fight challenge the govt's authority,you've posted several examples of shootouts between cartels and mexican army,or marines.cartels,like the taliban,isis,undermine the govt.organized crime gorups generaly don't